Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,832
You know how bad it is when both Sky and BBC national news have covered the gridlock as a proper decent length item.
All the relevant transport departments know Dover has a problem whenever the ferries have a problem but obviously refuse to work with each other in a grown up manner to find a solution, they just do not care as their lives are not affected.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
Sue Nicholas wrote:I have just written a lengthy email to Dover Chief Executive and the Leader At DDC .I m appalled at what is happening.There were posts on here years back and Still they have not sorted itThe Public have long memories.
whether you are a current DDC Councillor or X mud will stick .
Eventually, maybe!
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,992
Still not sure how dialling A2 and 'sorting out' Whitfield roundabout and Duke of Yorks to get traffic quicker to hold ups at docks is going to make much of a difference?
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
Captain Haddock wrote:Still not sure how dialling A2 and 'sorting out' Whitfield roundabout and Duke of Yorks to get traffic quicker to hold ups at docks is going to make much of a difference?
It's called inward investment and this is a Good Thing because, um, hang on it's coming, bear with me... ah yes - no, sorry, it's gone again. Oh I know, because it's Free Money. So a Good Thing as I said, obviously. And you could store lorries in the new lane. And have a photo op and a new 3-word strapline. Clearly lots of benefits when you think about it.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,832
If the recent and ongoing situation can be called a success no wonder nothing changes. Never mind I bet he could drive wherever he liked, was not inconvenienced and did not have to hear the lorries 24hrs a day. To think we pay our taxes to employ idiots like this.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,886
Of course our cllr rarely used public transport so wouldn't be bothered how people are effected
And the town at a stand still
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Captain Haddock wrote:Still not sure how dialling A2 and 'sorting out' Whitfield roundabout and Duke of Yorks to get traffic quicker to hold ups at docks is going to make much of a difference?
I tried dialling A2 once and all I got was a weird humming noise.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
BBC just reported this lunchtime how bad traffic is in Dover and surrounding areas, talk about late to the party
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
Eurotunnel's queue of trucks extended up past Stop 24 this morning, but all (well, most) on the hard shoulder out of harm's way.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Button wrote:Eurotunnel's queue of trucks extended up past Stop 24 this morning, but all (well, most) on the hard shoulder out of harm's way.
Another blooming shuttle broke down in t'middle last night. How do they do it with such regularity when the service needs to be spot on?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,832
AndyPol wrote:BBC just reported this lunchtime how bad traffic is in Dover and surrounding areas, talk about late to the party
To be fair BBC and Sky did cover this on Saturday with both doing quite long items yesterday. See #501
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Jan Higgins wrote:To be fair BBC and Sky did cover this on Saturday with both doing quite long items yesterday. See #501
Fair enough, I'd spent 12 hours shifts at work dealing with these issues so didn't get a chance to watch TV until today!
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alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
- Posts: 89
Being a Town Resident...My Saturday was totally disrupted by the Traffic Chaos.
Personally, I do not think Residents should be prisoners in their homes because the Port cannot handle its traffic and/or emergency problems.
I penned a letter to Dover Harbour Board to express my disatisfaction regarding all bodies who are supposed to deal with these problems. So far as I am concerned these problems have been going on for years and years....We have enough experts and technology at our call...yet, nothing seems to be taken very seriously.....Blaming Brexit is interesting.....Thank you.
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To:you Details
After being made aware of your email regarding the issues surrounding the traffic, we have spoken to our Operations team regarding this and the information they have provided can be read as follows;
At the Port of Dover, we have constant dialogue with the external partners of Kent Resilience Forum (KRF), which includes Kent Police and Highways, who also participate in the planning meetings for getaway periods. All partners are aware of traffic predictions and expectations, however we cannot control external factors, such as the weather. With reference to the traffic flows over the weekend, a vessel was damaged due to adverse weather, which took it out of service and reduced uplift capacity. We use Dover TAP to control our freight flows and the KRF have traffic management plans in place to deal with any queues on the strategic network outside of TAP.
Kent Police and Highways are responsible for managing traffic flows on the strategic network, and it would not be our place to comment on their processes for ensuring that Dover is kept free of traffic. However, due to the location of the Port, we are placed at the end of two motorways and the town roads branch off these motorways, which allows local traffic to by-pass the traffic management areas and seep through the town to the Port. We, and our partners, put out media statements advising hauliers of the correct routes to use. However, unfortunately, hauliers often choose not to follow this instruction in order to by-pass the queuing system, to the detriment of local traffic.
We do our utmost to manage the traffic internally within the Port, and the ferry operators also work hard to ensure that they also have the correct mechanisms in place, but it is inevitable that we will experience some queuing because of the high demand that follows the lifting of Covid restrictions in the UK and because of the additional border control requirements that hauliers need to have post-Brexit. We are no longer a free-flowing Port as we were pre-Brexit, as hauliers have EU controls to adhere to.
We thank you for getting in touch and have registered your sentiments, and hope that this offers some explanation for the situation that occurred over the weekend.
Kind Regards,
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
dover tap a20 in its 8th day
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,886
It's not fair to Dover that this is still happening
Agencies shoujd have sorted it by now
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How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
- Posts: 105
I'm glad I no longer have to work in Dover (I did construction work at Buckland Hospital & St. James)
My sympathies to all of you disrupted
Even when working in West Kent, I had trouble getting to my (then) home in Bearsted on occasion due to delays at Dover
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
We have the controls that any 3rd country will have when entering the EU, either freight or passenger. That was our choice.
Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 450
Ray, Dover Tap has been in place since April 2015 even before Brexit.. It was happening over a 100 times a year then. I know because I just love the chorus of lorry horns 24/7 at Aycliffe when Dover TAP is on.
I have sent loads of e-mails to everyone to move the start of Dover TAP back but nothing ever gets done.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,886
That's the problem Gary
Everyone moans and i see the local clkr blaming everyone else
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
ray hutstone wrote:We have the controls that any 3rd country will have when entering the EU, either freight or passenger. That was our choice.
And a brave one it was too. Still, the next shenanigans won't be down to Brexit: "In September, the EU intends to introduce airport-style biometric checks at its external borders. This would affect Dover because of “juxtaposed controls”, where travellers clear French entry requirements before leaving the UK, and [Doug Bannister] has called on the British government to work with the EU on a solution. “To date, no process has been identified for a carload of people transiting a busy ferry terminal on a dark stormy night,” he says. “It would force people to exit their vehicles in busy moving traffic, which would be dangerous. We couldn’t allow that to happen.” Best of luck with that then - wonder if cars will be using their satnavs to plot a route to the port...
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