Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well might we ask.
We have seen Labour crash to well below 20% worse than their lowest expectations.
They even came second in Wales for the first time since 1918.
They have no MEPs in the South West and many areas are Labour free zones (lucky them).
In many places they have come 5th or even 6th in the poll.
These have been the worse set of result for Labour since they became more than a group of TU sponsored candidates.
For them it is a disaster.
Could this be the start of a new re-alignment in UK politics? If the Government hang on in office to the last minute that might well be what will happen. If they go to the country sooner and accept a crushing defeat then they may be able to re-build in opposition, or they may not. Perhaps after the longest ever period of Labour Government ending in such a disaster for this country they will be consined to minor fringe party status forever more.
Sid Pollitt
I dont think the Labour MEPs will be joining a far right group. Will the Tories?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No, centre right Eurosceptic parties, forming a group in which the Conservatives will be a major force.
it is Labour that is a member of a group among which is a member who praised Hitler.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think that the blues will be holding an inquest into the result.
just over a quarter of the people that voted, voted for them, despite the dissaray of the goverment.
sounds like the great british public do not trust them over europe.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No inquest needed. It was a good day for us, we did increase our share of the vote, not much, but an increase nevertheless. Remember, because of the expenses scandal there were many who thought our vote would drop along with the other major parties. Indeed you may remember that Norman Tebbit asked people not to vote for the major parties and while he did not say UKIP we all know that is what he meant. The absurd electoral system for the Europeans does not help either.
There are different considerations in a General Election.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the "absurd" electoral system is very complicated but actually a lot fairer than our usual one.
i would be surprised if there is not an inquest at central office about 1 in 8 that could vote did vote for the blues.
bearing in mind, in a years time, things could well improve slightly for the government, where would this leave boy dave?
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BARRYW
JUST like when the tories got thrashed in the polls and re built, Labour as i'v said so many times in posts, will also rebuild.
Labour will again win back many of the seats lost and re engage with the public.
It has been a welcome wake up call, we relish the challenge and hard work that will go into it
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Things will only get worse for Labour, make no mistake. The longer they delay an election the bigger the defeat.
There is nothing in the offing that holds out hope for Brown.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i have been watching newsnight, they have reached the same conclusion as me.
chronic for labour, but the cons have not really gained from it
remember you heard it from me first.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That must be the Brown Broadcasting Corporation Howard....
True to form.
Personally I suspect that DC is very pleased that the cowardly Labour MPs have chickened out of a real challenge to Brown. Its all about hanging on to their salaries and expenses for as long as possible and to hell with the best interests of the Country. I hear though that a stalking horse challenge may still arise (Purnell is rumoured). We shall see.
We shall see on the disollution debate whether any of them actually have the country at heart and vote with the opposition. We need a general election.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Barryw
We don't need a general election, and MP's are being sensible and settling down to get on with the job they were elected to do.
That is putting the country first.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Very considerate of them. However, most pundits seem to think that they are putting themselves first, insofar as they recognise that a very great number of them would be voted out if there were to be a general election, with the loss of a years splendiferous M.P's wages. Ignoble of the pundits to think that way when obviously they are only hanging on for the good of the country.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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The system ED is in need of radical change, summat i'v been saying for some time, but ALL yes ALL the major parties have had there noses in the trough.
Labour hit hardest cos they are(and will be)the Govt.
This protest vote will in time return, after much work by labour friends, and thats why our Barryw is looking for any other desperate measure to get into number 10
Like, we can't them seats so lets abolish them !!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I want an election Keith, the electorate want an election. Why are Labour so scared of an election?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Because it isn't true,
Tories want an election,
IN GENERAL THE Public want GB to get on and run the country.
Ask the every day person they aint bothered.
Of course Barryw your worried in case as iv said this protest vote returns to labour as it will in time.
your only thinking of the tory party
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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What evidence have you of that Keith? I have polling evidence to support my claim that the public want an election, what do you have?
I am actually thinking of the Country and the need to have an election to provide a new Government of whatever Party with the authority that is currently lacking.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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As every NON BIASED interviewer has said, this is and was a protest vote, and so it was not a real vote for any party.
Votes just held up
even the BNP only got in cos of the protest voting.
Its desperation Barryw as you know
Today GB clear lets move on running the country of course you barryw look at this from a biased position
it won't happen so lets get on and run the country
get behind gordon to sort out the expenses scandal, can be done quickly with all party support
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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ohhh Keith, you are not biased then
Come off it.....
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BARRYW
YEP I'm biased towards labour party, never hidden that,
but posted often against my own party, try to be open and honest on here
I do say it as it is,
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I too have not been uncritical of my own side at times Keith so lets not have any of this 'your biased' attacks as if you are any less biased than I am.