Guest 1735- Registered: 26 Apr 2016
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Vic Matcham wrote:Just to add to this most of my own family have been in the Army or R,A,F and even the Royal Navy and we have a war grave out at the Bay.
What I would just like to say about what happen is please remember The White Cliff Branch is a new one with a lot of members that are not only new to that Branch but also new to the R,B,L, and some of them have carried out duty,s they have never done before and they have done and still doing very well and we thank them very much for the work they are putting into the branch and I hope what has happen will not put them off from helping to keep the White Cliff Branch open.
Going back to the Wreaths and what happen is the Two volunteers that done a great job being out in all that bad weather 7 days a week putting up the cross,s etc.
On the Saturday morning when they where taking the Wreaths away the weather was very bad and I happen to be passing and I told them because of the very bad weather they was doing the right thing in removing them if that had not been done the wreaths as we have seen in the pass will end up be blowing any where ,also as I said they were new to doing this job.So please do not put any blame onto them.They done what was best at the time.
After talking about it on the phone today I said if it happens again and the weather is that bad maybe we should take the wreaths away and find cover for them where the public can still see them it could be a local Church or even at the War monument at the Western end of the port where Remembering the fallen can still carry on.We will try to get it sorted out better for next year,There is no blame to be put on anyone or the council.Thank you,please can we now please move away from it now We in the R,B. L are there to remember the fallen of all wars and help the familys that are left behind ,and also members of the armed services.I am not very good at putting things into words but I hope in this case I have said the right words in the right way,Again Thank you.
I could not agree more about putting the wreathes in a more covered area when its bad weather ,the church in the high street is open 7 days a wk, so maybe the Vicar would be happy to make room for a small area for all wreathes in the future ,,
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Sorry but a church is not appropriate at all. It would exclude those of other religions. Why not ask those who do manage to avoid H&S issues but leave wreaths in situ? I have seen wreaths laid in the most unlikely places on our travels or postings when my husband was alive. Some comments on here truly show total lack of moral decency and respect. There is a responsibility that comes with posting on a public forum, allegedly representing a town. Why not look how places like Whitfield or River manage? Too much effort? Have you spotted the wreaths, still secure and in place just a short walk up from the memorial used? And is it truly a memorial that belongs to DTC? I thought it belonged to the people of Dover, as do the offices our Cllrs use, unless my research was wrong. It's so frustrating that it all appears to be a secret when after all, everything the council claim as theirs, is literally the property of the taxpayers and they had the honour bestowed upon them to have the privelege to maintain and take care of it so it remains as a heritage for future generations ? Perhaps a new post should be added about problems caused for the Roman Painted House? Problems caused, yet again , by an accountable employee with either very little self control or very little supervision. Why does it always happen in this historic icon of a town that should be bursting with activity, commerce and future prospects for others to build upon? Lack of leadership or lack of example? I researched Dover's history before moving here and it truly is nothing like it was any more. I am grateful for the first time in 6 years that my husband of 44 years is not able to witness what happened to respect. And it shames me to think that some think the past behaviour is acceptable.
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Hi
as I thought it would be to late to put a question
and no I don't always get time to read all the posts I also have to work for a living and do my work for constituents
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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In reply to #59, no comment or reply from Mr Mcsweeney1 to my invitation and that of the AccSM. Such a missed opportunity. Still, I do make sure military personnel stay updated. The invitation remains open. Only time not possible would be Marching Out Parade day due to them being rather occupied with more pressing matters and usually some royal dignitary or representative.
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sorry for my late reply regarding post 55. due to wifi being out. I am amazed Anna Liesons at your incredible investigative powers, that you have been unable to find out anything about the Appreciation page! Although I do know of this page, but, having signed the Official Secrets Act, am unable throw any light on it. I do not think blowing the whistle on this nonsensical, frivolity of a page would be of any help, unfortunately. However with your super powers of investigation and reporting to 72 branches of the RBL, I am sure you can find one Appreciation page, that has the aforementioned Councillors signed up to. Would really appreciate the outcome of your investigations into Councillors Code of Conduct! Some of us as Howard McSweeney1 are not as half witted as he seems to think we are! enough said I think.
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Brian Dixon
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don't no what you lot are moaning about,cant be any worce than what this dickhead done.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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#66. First rule of conduct in addressing somebody is to get their name right. Further to that, whatever investigative powers you refer to, the basic information is limited; appreciation for what? Cats, dogs, gardens, sausages for breakfast? I must have neglected to dust off my crystal ball.Some participants on this page have quite a unique sense of humour. Here you are Ritaroo talking about the official secrets act and then we have Vic Matcham saying he can't divulge his serial number because it's still in use. Just can't believe it. Any person in the forces gets told "if captured, all you give is your rank, name and serial number" a serial number is allocated to 1 person only and remains with that person, into eternity. My point, which was obviously missed, had hopefully expressed my view on dropping part information about individuals without backing them up. Common sense should prevail, sadly often doesn't. If a person is indeed guilty of any breach which is pointed out in public, the first reaction will be to remove any or all evidence. Not fully backing up accusations is rather silly as you give the alleged perpetrators extra time to dispose of anything that might or could be used against them. So if the allegation was true, it's by now possibly worthless. If it was a bluff, well" red faces" comes to mind and possible contact from the police for defamatory accusations made on a public forum. I did not investigate this, strange as it may seem, I used the limited brain power I was born with to try and make it clear to you. I am not good at drawing pictures. Have you tried looking up regulations for yourself? Life has taught me never to rely on the competence of another when I can rely on my own? Having , hopefully made myself clear. I will say that if anybody had hinted at me as 2 Cllrs have been or Howard Mcsweeney1 that I was in breach of any rules, I would call them out. I would not have kept quiet hoping it would go away. That is of course assuming I had nothing to hide. But then, I have been in an environment for the largest part of my life, where a warrior is not sat behind a keyboard or where those who's job it is to represent me uphold the ethics of their role and the body they represent.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The above Post like a lot of the others are Rubbish like a lot of other ex Army I use my number as a part of a pass word and that is why I do not give it out .
This forum is going backwards in its membership over the last year.And all this name calling and the way members talk about each other is very bad.And it has nothing to do with Wreaths,this forum and its members can do without me.
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Vic Matcham wrote:I use my number as a pass word and that is why I do not give it out .
A Nigerian Writes.
Thanks Vic. None of this Alpha/Numeric with upper and lower case rubbish for you! Nearly into your savings account as I type ..............
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To late I have just dropped its
use
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Vic Matcham wrote:To late I have just dropped its
use
Wise move (seriously)
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Only part of it was used with some others ------- but even if anyone had used it, it would not do them any good.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Vic Matcham, you are of course entitled to your opinion on other posts, by the same token, so are others. Not being able to dispute the factual content of any statement does not make that statement rubbish. It might be due to selective or limited understanding of the subject or being unwilling to accept defeat.
To take it back to wreaths, now you have changed your password/ Security, I made a point of visiting as many memorials as possible in the time available between having guests. No others removed the wreaths and even the one close to an indoor shopping area near the seafront, obviously more exposed to the elements, is still in place. Health and Safety must only be applicable to one memorial. It's amazing how a split second of forethought can save the residents or passersby in those area's of being slain by airborne wreaths, by simply securing the wreaths. Now, the fact a number of wooden crosses fell, having witnessed some man out running picking them up on 2 separate occasions, does create the issue of H&S. If wreaths were a danger, does that mean pedestrians were put at risk during all the time the crosses were there? I have put this question to the same person who is in contact with the 72 branches of RBL. Having been responsible for laying out the field of Remembrance and the taking down of same, the one person responsible may want to think of that. The lesson here, in case it was missed, do not accept fairy tale excuses, suggested by another with ulterior motives, then act upon them without further consultation with those who ultimately carry the weight of responsibly, the committee. At ease.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The subject has gone round and round and the RBL apologised for one of its members who with good intentions maybe got this one wrong.
So for me lets learn by it and move on
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Guest 1338- Registered: 9 Sep 2014
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Yes Anna Liesens I know for certain that the runner you spoke of went to the Memorial every day & secured fallen crosses etc. He wasn't asked to do this he just done it out of respect.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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#75. No maybe about it. It's an absolute certainty. Sorry if the truth is inconvenient to the conscience of some. Having looked up the history of this war memorial has been very interesting and I would just like to know the bit that happens in between the memorial belonging to the people and now belonging to the town council please Keith. As you are a Cllr maybe you have the answer. Also, an answer to the H&S issue please with the fallen crosses. If DTC agree with the H&S nonsense about dangerous wreaths why did they not contact the RBL to discuss danger to pedestrians with the wreaths and crosses? From my visit to the place which resembles a high risk security ward once inside the door, it was very obvious that employees were sat close to windows. Was it a case of I am looking but can't see? With the best will in the world they could not miss a runner in hiviz clothing stepping on to the memorial garden.
One last question, I know it's going off topic slightly but no more than Vic Matcham's security issue, I had to ask a lady passing if she would mind holding my dog's lead while I went inside because a notice made it clear no dogs are permitted inside. However once the " iron curtain " was raised I could see a large whitish very hairy dog. Is one of the employees in need of a guide dog? Because that could be the only ligitimate reason a dog was lying there. I certainly didn't spot anybody with needs like that. I believe 2 ladies and a bearded gent were the only ones there. I look forward to receiving your 3 replies. Thank you.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Anna for many years the war memorial was looked after by DDC and I recall when it was handed over to the DTC .Many will know for years the DTC was Labour controlled and I recall thinking dohope they don't paint it red ?The land adjacent to the memorial where the public walk and the memorial bench is located belongs to DDC We will not go down the road of how difficult it was to get the bench put back there.
Even now you will hear all about the old Dover Borough.The whole saga about flag poles and the DTC. Has really got out of hand .
Lessons have been learnt about when wreaths should be removed.I think it's time everyone moved on.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Thank you Sue. And what is it they have learned? The flagpole issue has been mentioned to me by a lady who walks her dog at the same times as I do. I told her quite bluntly that she must be mistaken, or are you encouraging me to look into it? The lady told me at the time to look the matter up . I have the time now. The house and garden are in order and thankfully my sons had some leave to help out. No guests for some days. But surely it's too far fetched to be true? I will do some research. By the hint in what you say, I may need more than 1 cup of tea to work my way through it?
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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More like a stiff drink .
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