howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Amberleaf50 wrote:I don't need to make accusations the posts from all show evidence of fact what I am saying. So I said 'Parma 'you get hold of it try and ridicule with reference back to Howard post who also did the same, it evidenced to that kind of ganging up making fun, don't need to argue too much on that point either. I say a word Alien to you instead of asking what it means you all set out to may fun of it, please please try not to explain away what is obvious.
I just take seriously a subject that causes suffering and deaths could be avoidable, I guess I am made that way. You talk about conspiracy just read about the swine flu outbreak and thousands made to have jabs ect. You think all drugs are tested on animals and straight to humans 'we have a cure' without underhanded experiments. Maybe you should speak to those soldiers in the war who had experiments done to them without knowledge Reg. I live in a bigger world than yours and I believe nothing is impossible and basically we the only ones in the universe so something is impossible and were here though.
You say of 'quote' above and say taken seriously but then post a load ham hanging up. Sorry Reg do not agree. If you don't take flu seriously then not much to comment there also. Why does banter, humour have to take precedence on here as the norm? Don't understand myself to why a top is serious or someone wants to speak its all put down to humour and banter. Im not being funny here but you are all not stupid and very knowledgeable most of you. But there is this other side that wants to offend an outsider you know like the ugly duckling story 'the different' from the group. Why not take someone post serious and comment in serious manner as the post was intended. Why pick on posts made by those who are not of the 'norm' group on here are some threatened by posts from others that may take attention from theirs-dont know?? It's a crazy town we live in that all I say and nowhere to get good conversation but I do try Reg I really do.
Only advice to anyone is make sure your spelling is correct and do not say an Alien word or banter and sarcastic will set in on here.
If my post now can come back to the main issue because I dont really want thousands of children getting nasal sprays or adults getting jabs that are not needed unless there is a real issue of flu epidemic of such proportions and serious effects if its not true. Hardly anyone questions whats in these treatments or its side effects. So no conspiracy but valid questioing and common sense or do we all line up like sheep and take it all??? So GP's can report back to 'Parma's 'Pharm's to the side effects and outcomes of these flu treatements and get paid for it for doing do it.
Yes and no.
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Amberleaf50
Here's a life expectancy chart that gives an idea of how the pharmaceutical company's have helped improve things(personally I think they are the cause of overpopulation and the end of natural selection in the human race, leading ultimately to the demise of the NHS in its current form is inevitable)
Could I ask Reg why you think the world is being over populated by pharmaceutical company's why you think the world is over populated.
Pharmaceutical company's have not helped produce children (breeding) even though there is methods of helping that along. Another fact in life expentancy increasing is having operations that would have killed most if not permformed makes most of that life expentancy not medications. The other of the so called over population is factors of world wars (which I beleive we are on the brink of), world pandemics etc that contrabutes to decreasing the population which we have not seen since those issues last decreased the worlds population(all readable on the net). So many factors of this over populating not all down to helping hand of 'Pharma's. The world is big enough to take us another three time over and still space for us all.
But like the Quees husband says he would like to come back as a Virus and decrease the population he may get his wish. But dont know why he is so upset by it its the population that keeps his family where they are.
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Reginald Barrington
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Not being overpopulated by them amberleaf but by or because of the drugs they have developed.
You talk of the pandemics that used to kill millions, they don't happen any more, specifically because of pharmaceutical companies.
They have eradicated smallpox. Something like 40% of all people catching smallpox and 80% of children died from the disease.
They have also developed cures for dozens of other diseases that only 50/60 years ago we would have died from, polio is on the verge of eradication as is malaria already eliminated from most of Europe, north and south America and north Africa. Millions annually have been saved from death by these pharmaceutical companies. All operations that save life's have to use a cocktail of anaesthetic drugs to prevent you dying on the table, you would then be treated with antibiotics all developed by these same people.
They are on the breakthrough of curing Alzheimer's disease. They have found cures and treatments for numerous cancers that were a guaranteed death sentence, can cure many forms of heart disease that too would have been death sentences.
Woman are regularly and safely having children in their 50's and 60's down to you guessed it these same pharmaceutical companies. We are keeping the elderly alive almost indefinitely.
This planet doesn't have the resources to sustain unlimited population growth, life expectancy has almost doubled in the last 100yrs largely due to these pharmaceutical companies, so yes I do think overpopulation is down to them.
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No medication Reg can stop a flu pandemic and some other nasties we have too much activity to stop a virus we cant see. We cant even stop a terrorist which is much bigger form of a virus you can get, let alone a virus which is air born you cant see. They can eradicate Reg but what is the later outcome of that Vaccine remember cancer has increased since vaccines also as other conditions related to them that children and people suffer from or die from, not saying all down to it but a lot of children with cancer these days?. We all beleived the hype of the AIDS explaination coming from monkeys and a lot fell for it until it all came out. How many millions die each year from this.
Whatever they (Pharma's) have done for us mother nature will pay us back eventually, we are already running out of Antibotics as mother nature finds its way back to us. Our own immune system has been loaded with with stuff to start a ticking bomb from mother nature and the harmful stuff in these drugs to cause us harm in short term and long term.
We will never have a unlimited population growth Reg that is a fact by nature or man made it wont happen.
We in UK take in thousands from other countries whilst our birth rate has dropped very badly indeed, so in future this small island is just a place to come and get free everything which will destroy our country, cripple us to our knees and being seen already. Yet still we keep taking in and let our own suffer whilst sending billions of our money out of this country to add to UK destruction. One day it wont matter about all this we will see another change that will dramiticaly change our whole lives. It is a matter of time my concern is not about me but the children in the future, we are but mere stock and we have keepers.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Please do enlighten us as to the origins of HIV/Aids that we all fell for I must have missed that bit.
The 20th century rise in cancer types and rates has been widely reported on and accepted as fact it is due to industrialisation, (coal dust, metal toxins etc) increased meat consumption (commercial meat production), the higher intake of processed meats (industrial food production), and the dramatic rise in smoking pre and post 2nd world war, not forgetting the increased life expectancy meaning we have double the length of time to develop a cancer (that one you can pin on the pharmaceutical companies) while I would love to continue debating this with you, unless you are able to produce some factual statistics to support your claims i cannot.
Please do tell us about the causes/origins of aids though.
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Im not a teacher Reg you can research
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Your so good at explaining, I mean that, I read your comments with interest no joke at all. So I would like to hear your views or your research on this. I might have missed something on this maybe? So please enlighten me and everyone else I would be grateful to your views this post is not all about me and welcome your input.
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Reginald Barrington wrote:
Please do tell us about the causes/origins of aids though.
Where did HIV come from?
Scientists identified a type of chimpanzee in West Africa as the source of HIV infection in humans. They believe that the chimpanzee version of the immunodeficiency virus (called simian immunodeficiency virus or SIV) most likely was transmitted to humans and mutated into HIV when humans hunted these chimpanzees for meat and came into contact with their infected blood. Over decades, the virus slowly spread across Africa and later into other parts of the world.
See:-
http://www.theaidsinstitute.org/node/259
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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My understanding and belief is that HIV1 and HIV2 came from chimps and Mangabey monkeys respectively, the simian immunodeficiency virus adapted once in it human host, most likely contracted through blood ingestion or infection of open wounds(less likely), or through inter species intercourse(least likely) the virus then adapted/mutated into several strains this then spread through normal human sexual interactions.
There is of course the conspiracist theory, that i suspect might be what you have heard, that is, that it was created by man to wipe out the black races.
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Ross Miller
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On the question of the flu variant H3N2 (currently known as Aussie Flu) then this is absolutely real and I know a number of people in Dover who have had or are currently struggling with it. I can categorically say that despite getting hit with it myself I am glad I had a flu jab a couple of months ago as I have suffered considerably less than friends who did not have one.
I would add that unless you are in a high risk group (over 65 or pregnant or a young child or have underlying health issues e,g breathing or heart issues) the best treatment is to stay at home, drink lots of fluids and take paracetamol or ibuprofen to ease muscle aches and reduce temperatures.
The current advice from the NHS is
If you develop sudden chest pain, have difficulty breathing or start coughing up blood, call 999 or go to A&E.
See your GP if:
your symptoms don't improve after seven days
you're worried about your child's symptoms
you're 65 or over
you're pregnant
you have a long-term medical condition such as diabetes, or heart or lung disease
you have a weakened immune system (for example, you take HIV therapy or are on chemotherapy)
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Reginald Barrington wrote:My understanding and belief is that HIV1 and HIV2 came from chimps and Mangabey monkeys respectively, the simian immunodeficiency virus adapted once in it human host, most likely contracted through blood ingestion or infection of open wounds(less likely), or through inter species intercourse(least likely) the virus then adapted/mutated into several strains this then spread through normal human sexual interactions.
There is of course the conspiracist theory, that i suspect might be what you have heard, that is, that it was created by man to wipe out the black races.
So how long have chimps been around with natives? I presume it was first contracted from chimps to human, as you say. How long this virus been in chimps? Then when did it first appear in humans to be noted?? We been here a long time hundreds and hundreds of years and HIV in human from chimp in last 40 yrs maybe? Things dont add up or did the Virus just appeared in chimps from where?? and was this last 40yrs maybe with brand new virus that spread to humans by the thousands so speedily without anyone knowing about it until too late??. Something not right really Reg too many red flags with question markes smothered over them. I wouldnt say was to wipe a black race but questions and people lifes are less thought of in certain parts of the world and testing in those countries is happening Reg not conspiracy but a fact stated by the subjects themselves.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Amberleaf you keep making statements of fact but provide no evidence, viruses mutate over time and between hosts nothing questionable about this.
First identified approximately 100 yrs ago in humans maybe hundreds of years in apes.
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But where Reg you say identified 100 years ago maybe in humans and apes but your not giving statement of facts Reg, now come on stop accusing me of falling short of information and evidence when you do not supply it yourself...play the game Reg. Ill wait on that response whilst having a brandy or two with a big fact cigar by my roaring fire.
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well this is interesting but is it true???
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Maybe a bit disturbing for us Dover lot maybe but the above are noted instances. The face a bit scary but experiments seemed fine done by 'normal' Doctors and scientists. I am wandering why we trust so many.
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Lost I think WGS.
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Brian Dixon
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this flu bug going around,nasty piece of work it is. wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. the simtoms seem like pmt, menopause and as mad as a nag from knotty ash.
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Well thats me and Dr Watson done for the afternoon, chess and a few tots leaves me now ready to go hunting for the evening for my dinner....brrrr
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