Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,872
In an earlier post there was someone in my ward I said I would never vote for, they got back in again unfortunately but that is not exactly a surprise. BTW Howard was wrong with his guess because that person was not even on my ballot list.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
Rix got in unopposed
Because labour couldn't find enough candidates
Although ad love Dover is made up of cross party cllrs I suspect some in labour are happy he was unopposed rather than having a lab person
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I had eight(8) missives through the door from Labour and a total of three from all the others combined. The moral is clearly one of working on local issues through the years and not just turning up at election times
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
I spent the past 2 years speaking with all the so called leading lights of local Labour warning them they were in trouble
As usual they didn't listen
Turned up for 4 weeks and many I'm sure will disappear
Iv urged the party and parliamentary Labour candidate to get in the communities
All fell on deaf ears
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Guest 2599- Registered: 6 May 2018
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I spent the past 2 years speaking with all the so called leading lights of local Labour warning them they were in trouble
As usual they didn't listen
Turned up for 4 weeks and many I'm sure will disappear
Iv urged the party and parliamentary Labour candidate to get in the communities
All fell on deaf ears
Thank you Keith. We did indeed have a chat some weeks ago now and I can assure you all warnings about working with and in the community did
not fall on deaf ears. I'm looking forward to more integration in 'louder' community projects now we are post-election, but I can assure you on a week-by-week basis, I (and many other Labour representatives) locally are very much working in
and for the community.
Take just my diary for the last week: As Parliamentary Candidate I've undertaken housing casework for people represented by [now former] Tory councillors who ignore their emails. The CAB are now referring people to me when their MP and other elected reps "Don't do housing". I've also worked on an immigration case, linking up with Kent Law Clinic to progress something that should have been sorted years ago. I've taken a walk with residents in another area to discuss their concerns over bus shelter provision and poor unsafe pavements, so they can point things out to me in real time and I've scheduled a visit to a school and a dementia care home, hopefully to be after the birth of my baby. I've drafted a letter of complaint for a lovely man in Whitfield about a medical negligence case [after the MP / his team were next to useless] and this is on top of the last week run of election time pavement walking, knocking and delivering, oh and meeting some people to discuss the Finglesham Fields issue. As you will appreciate, not every one of these things is at all appropriate to use as a photo opportunity.
I have bigger community projects I'd love to launch on wages and workers' representation. Hopefully parent and baby groups will also get to see a lot of me! So don't tar us [me] with the brush of community inaction. There will be much more to come (we could have years to a General Election) and if there is somewhere you think I should be, tell me, and I'll try my very best.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,256
I think you hit a raw nerve Keith!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
I don't really require your workload
I did in our chat warn of Thursdays result and it was actually worse than even I predicted.
The tories were ready to lose
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Some even jumped wards to get to safer seats
But then so did some labour ones
I have always been up front that unless labour in Dover changes and gets into the communities all the year round they will be long term opposition
This I'm sure your aware reflects on your attempts to be MP
Having a local community not supporting it will have major impact
I did even suggest to you how I could have helped one of your cllrs
This didn't happen and she lost
I'm fairly sure I could have helped but it was her decision not to.
Folkestone labour showed how it can change from being inactive to active and win seats
With the country wide results
Dover's result was poor
Our community can only wait and see if those few Labour cllrs elected will build in the communties
The good thing is some of the Undemocratic labour cllrs lost both on district and town. But it doesn't help to give locals choice
A lot of locals are feeling isolated as I'm sure your aware with no confidence in general of politicians of all colours
I predicted some time ago labour would be out of office for 25 years unless they involved themselves in communities today
I find though they just turn up each 4 weeks during election campaigns
Unless there is radical change
People will continue to feel let down
As one of the community chairs I will watch what happens next, and over coming months
Labour should have romped home Thursday
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Oh dear .Seems like Charlotte has been working..The Labour vote held out here.Not high but the The turn out was poor.I see Keith Morris did well.Peter Walker got in good on him.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Sue Nicholas wrote:Oh dear .Seems like Charlotte has been working..The Labour vote held out here.Not high but the The turn out was poor.I see Keith Morris did well.Peter Walker got in good on him.
Charlotte has indeed been working, in the last few days before the vote she was seen in Aylesham, Maxton and Elms Vale delivering leaflets despite being 38 weeks pregnant. Any flak should be aimed at councillors for their lack of interest over 4 years rather than a PPC hardly in the role a year.
Yes Sue I was glad Peter Walker survived the backstabbers and got voted in by people who knew him.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
OK
Let's be clear here
There is no flak here whoever gets in prob won't change my world
As I said I made get strides to help labour in the area I lived long before the election was ever called
If Charlott is saying Labour is in the community then all well and good
It's not what in lm hearing from locals wherevi live
Thus many stayed away
I have attempted to explain to locals half finished business in the ward by lab cllr who didn't stand
I will say again cawca is one of many community activists places that never sees Labour cllrs until an election is called
I wasn't wrong of Thursday's result
I can only advise things will get worse
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
You're very free with your advice, Keith. I am not a politician and have no aspirations to become one. However, if I were, I suspect I would find your advice about as welcome (and indeed as useful) as a turd in a punch bowl.
Gloat away until your hearts content about the recent results. For my part, Charlotte and Ann (and indeed Bill Gardner from Deal) have given freely of their time to help in the objections to the Farthingloe/Western Heights project. That is something which I appreciated.
I know you won't like my comments. After all, you sent me a friends request on Facebook very recently which I happily accepted. A couple of days later I had the temerity to question your unjustified criticism of Ann Napier in one of your so-called Councillors Reports. You then immediately blocked me. How very mature.
Keep the advice coming. It's a good source of amusement.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes I was sorry to see Bill go .He always treated me with respect .I thought Ann was a very promising Councillor.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Ray;
Ta for your views
regarding labour cllrs(or any party cometo that) I have helped many and become friends with some ,
Although no one has to take any advice the electorate will always decide.
As i have said above I hope those who didn't quite make it get involved in the community
And those elected do the same.
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Guest 2415- Registered: 12 Dec 2017
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Keith Sansum - I was a councillor in MEVP for 6 years. For the first 3 years you did offer to help and we were cordial. I used to give you lifts in my car if I saw you walking in the street and you helped me leaflet. We did have a good relationship.
But then you wanted to get elected and the only way you could do that was to smear the opposition. You have not said a kind word about another Labour councillor since, except your friend Gordon Cowan.
I have been to CAWCA many times. I have spoken at events, I have been dunked in the stocks for charity, I have been to meetings there about the ward. I was there only last year and I offered you money from my councillor grant towards CAWCA. But you refused and after every event you ran me down because you know you can't get elected in the ward if people continue to vote Labour. How can you say we wouldn't come to CAWCA when I have a photo of me stood next to you only last year? And photos of us stood together which were printed in the newspaper?
I won £4000 funding for the park near CAWCA and you hated it. You couldn't stand that for years you'd been saying you had all the answers. You sabotaged that funding and any support for refurbishing the park. You sabotaged me with the residents, on social media, at the council... Jealous incase I got the park refurbished.
You came to the Vale View parking meeting which Ann and I had arranged, didn't speak, but then went on social media to say that Labour had tried to hijack the meeting and refused to let you speak. It was a meeting we had arranged, so it is impossible to hijack your own meeting. And we introduced you at the beginning as a councillor but you refused to speak. Yet you went online to tell people who weren't there that we'd hijacked the meeting and refused to let you speak.
You sabotaged work in Elms Vale Rec in exactly the same way. Residents told me afterwards how creepy you were, bugging them afterwards and running me down. One said you were 'a snake'.
You a bully, liar, smear merchant, a total disgrace to public service. In my 6 years as a councillor I only ever made one complaint about anyone, and that was you. You harassed and bullied me for over 2 years. And then you go online to tell people you offered friendship and support. In the old days people like you would be run out of town. You are a vile, disgraceful coward Keith Sansum. Your parents obviously didn't bring you up right.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Well well they all come out of the closet now then.
indeed peter lets just go over the points you make just for balance.
At the start although I had mixed reviews I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
And indeed like many in all 3 parties I worked closely with them.
Where you go wrong is that you indicate I wanted to become a councillor ,believe that's way off the mark, I never wanted it, I even contacted local labour to say we were aware of a local district councillor living in winchelsea and on the cawca committee at the time, that was an ideal candidate and would get the support of the area.
The reply was that labour had selected an in known in the area living in river.
I spoke to many within the ward about this, and there was a groundswell of people saying they were unwilling to support the lab nomination.
Labours arrogance locally that they would win anyway didn't bode well for them.
It was locals who encouraged me to stand, it certainly wasn't something I wanted but there was a need to give locals a choice.
indeed Gordon is a good friend, and it is incorrect to say I have not had a good word on labour.
Because of my concerns of where labour is heading I have spoken with a number of locals in labour in an attempt to explain and hopefully at least give thought to where its heading.
I have even explained to you and charlott I would have happily met the e vale candidate and she had the choice to decline that's choice, but the offer was there.
I do need to advise that Gordon Cowan is a personal friend outside of politics and one of a few I could rely on in labour when things were tough outside of politics which I wont discuss here.
I'm unaware of turning down any grant so your imagination is running a little wayward there.
Locals wanted me to stand again, and I probably would have won seeing the poor results, but I have a life outside of politics, and that's more important to me.
On the park, again you appear to be very misguided, and I don't care who provides a park be it tory labour, an individual, most important was getting a park
I suggested and even met you where I felt park would be best and hoped that was the way it could go
£4,000 is a worthwhile sum but a lot more was needed and without consultation that money went back to Tesco which was a great shame.
Believe me I have never said I have all the answers but have given my views on the park, that's what communities are about.
Had you got a park I would have been one of the first to congratulate you.
The social media was quite a sham, and really you cant hold your head high allowing your facebook page to run down hard working local volunteers on the community association and most still havnt forgiven you for it.
Yes you made a complaint that had little evidence and very much a kangaroo court where I'm sure the evidence wouldn't have stood up in court.
And I went through all the procedure even though it was heavily weighed against me even though it had members of your party on the panel I attempted to resolve this issue as I do in all cases.
I think your a little misguided if you feel labour would beat me if I stood, we have been down that road when I did stand the labour party didn't come second it came third, so that's not to accurate.
So any views I hold now were not with the view in mind of standing for council, there is no chanbce of that.
On the vale view meeting I was happy to attend any Cllr meeting to improve the ward ,but this one did create a lot of extra work for me to pick up pieces, even needing to contact your secretary to find you.
I did listen at the meeting, o f course it was a labour initiative and even behind it some ideas but it was correct that since because I assume residents were not aware it was a long term plan, I had to go back to them saying I was unaware of progress as this was not my initiative and I think that's a fair comment.
From feedback locals there were expecting quick results.
My role at the meeting was to listen and help in any way but I was not asked to help.
So I let it flow until locals started to ask me for updates which I don't have
Just in Elmsvale indeed I attended and tried a number of times to explain from community experience better ways to be more effective.
The locals at the time didn't wish to go that route(some since have wished they had) but then went on to campaign on issues outside of a very limited constitution which is fine, but I did say at the time the constitution should be wider, or the group would restrict itself.
I have heard worse words than SNAKE about you peter but that's not for today
My parents as you speak of them did bring me up well.
I don't recognise any of the comments you state at the end
Of course You, and Labour are hurting after the result , I do understand that.
And will now attempt to blame anyone they can for the disaster.
Instead of looking at what went wrong.
I warned local labour 2 years ago at all levels locally this was coming.
Now its down to labour to decide if it wants to change
But I cant just allow comments to go unanswered although I'm unwilling to get into long debates on it.
hank you for any lifts by the way
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
How sad .Two former colleagues of mine falling out .Neither of you stood this time round .In your own way you work for your communities.I was sorry that Peter chose not to stand and his time will. Come again..It’s very easy to find fault .Hope you will accept in your own way you have served your residents well.I do know Peter was a good speaker in the Council Chamber.Keith you do tend to wind people up .Still you have a Labour Councillor for your area.Will see how Elmsvale Fair,
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Guest 2415- Registered: 12 Dec 2017
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Every word that comes out of your mouth is lies. I have never known anyone like you.
Twice I offered you funding for CAWCA and twice you refused because you didn't want it on record that I have helped CAWCA.
You try and smear everyone with innuendo and vague accusations.
At the DTC meeting about your bullying I had evidence where people had written to me showing messages you had sent then on social media smearing me. I had screenshots of where I would write something on social media about an event or issue, then you would immediately post a negative comment about it.
You've not offered to help on any issues for years. You came to the Vale View meeting to wreck it. You were asked to speak and you waved your head and said no. You then went online to say Labour was hijacking the meeting and you weren't allowed to talk. You then sent a letter to the residents saying it was an awful idea. Then you sent another. You did that, not because of the issue or to help the residents. You did that to stop the Labour councillors making any progress on the issue.
You did the same at St Monicas. You are an absolutely disgraceful human being. A lying imposter. I don't know whether you're ignorant or spiteful but I know you've done a lot of damage to the ward.
Ann and I put on a free movie for kids in the ward, with free bouncy castles. We had to hide the event from you incase you wrecked it.
We got funding for a clean up round the CAWCA area and filled 8 van loads with rubbish. We had to hide that from you too.
We ended up having to do things for people without you knowing because you were so jealous you'd wreck it.
I hope I never see you again in my life. You are a disgusting human being.
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Guest 3238- Registered: 5 May 2019
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I'm impartial but I have to admit that I find myself agreeing with Peter Wallace here. There have been so many community initiatives that have come about from the Labour lot like the film at Elms Vale, graffiti clean up and the rubbish collection in Folkestone Road. Peter, Anne Napier and John Heron were always visibly making a difference. I dont do Facebook so I am not aware of that issue but my only awareness of Mr Sansum's presence is the locally held opinion that's hes 'a self serving publicist' (seen here on many occasions) and a ranter in the local press. I generally dont feel the need to get involved in these debates, I am a pensioner with a heart condition, but sometimes old women like me have to say what we see. I suggest you focus on your busy life Mr S rather than attacking genuinely community minded people...including pregnant women. For goodness sake..
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Blimey. And I thought I was being kind in refraining from using the word "****".
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think this post should end .
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