Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
It`s in the genes.
So we needn't encourage the kids from deprived families or those with forensic histories into further education and training because it is obviously in the genes to be recidivist......? I don't mean to be difficult with Reg's posts, and mean no personal offence, but the persecutory tone and class/wealth obsession is beginning to jar.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
BERN;
I think it's fair to say theres not many working class who have off shore accounts, or abuse the tax system(legal or otherwise)
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
#743, 'cash in hand' jobs by small tradesmen on your house and car are probably the most widespread form of tax evasion both in terms of the number of people on the fiddle, and the amount fiddled.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
whilst i don't dispute what you say peter
the millions of pounds is realy what we need to get to the bottom of
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
Desperate stuff Peter......We can`t include our cleaners,gardeners,odd job man scratching a frugal living as elite greedy pigs.
The elite greedy pigs are the Ecclestones,Diamonds.Goodwins etc,etc etc
...that reminds me must, arrange our yearly `Hog Roast`.....will be calling this `Bernie`....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
It appears now the barclays and there 2 billion pound profit, the shareholders now speaking out.
dsgusted at the cheif exec. renumeration
and of course the renumeration chair
interesting,,,,,,,
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Reg, is it possible for you to be any more offensive? Your rants will not have one iota of an impact on people like Ecclestone who are supporting the F1 in Bahrain. No-one ever went far wrong appealing to peoples self interest - it works far better than shouting offence or appearing bigoted.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
Yes Reg but what the odd job man gets away with is illegal tax evasion. What the fat cats practice is legal tax avoidance. I'm not making a moral judgment but a legal one. No authority on earth can stop people doing what is legal; if you don't like people taking advantage of legal opportunities to reduce tax, campaign for a simpler, fairer tax system with fewer loopholes and perhaps a tax-free allowance for work done 'informally', instead of pillorying those with wealth. That would lead to a fairer society and a bigger tax take.
Using the tax system as a tool for social engineering will always always backfire in one way or the other.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
bern,ecclestone/f1 and politics are not connected,its a seperate issue.the rights and wrongs of it,is another story.i am not worried wether its held in barhain,north korea or any other country that has human rights issues,and besides its a step in the right direction as for getting those human rights as santions dont work as they should.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
PETER;
I understand where your coming from but don't agree with you.
Whilst some of the elite tax avoidance is legal both the legal/illegal is it fair or just?
and does little to get people on side
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
How can you disagree with Peter when what he has said is simple fact?!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
bern;
so i should just come on here and agree with you all then??
no chance, sorry
if i agree then i will say so
and if i don't i will also say so
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
And Reg, suppose Shi'a militants threatened to disrupt the British Grand Prix or the Olympics over Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza being held here and possibly deported to a grizzly fate, should we also cancel those events?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
Legal/illegal?? Tom-ay-toe/tom-ah-toe.
Who makes the law and who is the law made for?
What would be said of a local driving through town in the company of someone brandishing a fire-arm? What if the gun was pointed at Howard or any of the other happy-snappers on here out with their cameras?
You may all cry-out for road blocks and house to house searches, but then again all might be simply hushed-up...
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2012/4/21/pippa_middleton_under_fire_over_gun.htmIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
I am not asking you to change opinions Keith, God forbid, but disagreeing with Peters post is a bit like disagreeing if he says newsprint is black on white. It isn't a point that needs agreement or otherwise, just some facts.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,888
bern;
no what you are saying is the almighty peter is correct and no one else is.
soz mate, if i disagree he and other posters will be told.
what we dont want is this forum to returnm to the very early dark days were the conservative party used the forum as a second tory web site, and no one dared to challenge.
Thankfully the forum is much more open now, and we have postings from all walks of life, and backgrounds, and its a healthier forum because of this.
Hopefully we can disagree which makes for a better forum.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
Phew!!
It appears that French Law is not so free as English Law with crimes of, "joint enterprise".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/apr/18/pippa-middleton-break-french-law?INTCMP=SRCHIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Everyone remember Keith is always right zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I never agree with him mainly as im more intelligent
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Peter.
#749 "That would lead to a fairer society and a bigger tax take"
That is what we all should be looking to achieve and I mean everyone.
At this time, that is not what is happening.
I have no problem with wealth but I do have a problem with greed and it is that greed that is leading us in the wrong direction.
The difference between the brickie's etc, working for cash and the wealthy using these loopholes, illegally, is that the first will be prosecuted, (rightly) and the other will negotiate his way out, by using his wealth(wrong).
I could Google this and get plenty of references to back this up but I have stopped using Google until they start paying tax in the UK.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"