Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I have already said the minimum wages is costing workers 1000s of jobs and the unskilled person will find it alot harder to find work .
Keith Sansum1
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harry you have got it right
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Harry - there was a time when a low wage was a phase you went through while gaining experience and adding to your 'employability' but now thanks to the min wage and tax credits it has become more a permanent fixture.
Getting rid of these is not about putting everyone onto a 'living wage' but ensuring a low wage does not become a trap, creating a ladder to climb by your own effort.
If you do not make the effort, or prove unreliable or untrustworthy then you will not bet on that ladder of course in which case you do not deserve it anyway. That then is your fault and you have to change your ways or live with the consequences of your actions, no-one owes you anything.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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Barry I worked from the age of 15 and was never unemployed, had a good apprenticeship with the N.C.B. before joining the army. When I came out of the army I went onto the shop floor as a vehicle mechanic and ended up with my last 30 years of working life with the E. Kent Bus company now Stagecoach and retired as an Engineering Manager.
Would I change anything probably not other than I may have stayed in the forces longer so I lived my working live as I wanted but I never ever had to live on a low wage or claim from the State so I consider myself very lucky. Kids today can often not just leave school and get straight into a job or get one where the pay is good. I support the minimum wage because I see it as a line in the sand where a Company should not drop below. I strongly believe that to go back, to do away with the minimum wage will allow some Companies to pay low wages and exploit their staff.
£6.31 an hour for over 21 is hardly a living wage these days if you are single let alone married, to pay less to someone should never happen.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Harry wages are low because the jobs have been given to slave labour china
And the mass importation of cheap labour arriving on the EU ticket
The rich love it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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harry is spot on, the same with me as times were so much easier, leave school and walk into a job then keep chopping and changing until you felt right.
money wasn't good but there was not the uncertainty that youngsters today have to go through, i read earlier that in the eurozone about half of those under the age of 24 are unemployed.
not that great over here, what does that say about the society we live in?
Jan Higgins
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I know I have said it before but the longer those over 65 have to work the less jobs there will be for the young after all there are only so many jobs out there plus getting the younger generation into the work ethic is so important for the future.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Strange that people talk about their own experiences but do not translate them to today in the sense of cause and effect.
That 'line in the sand' is more like a trap lurking in the sand for far too many people.
All this them and us stuff is prattle. The rich don't 'love' people being low paid. What we see here is a touch of the old British disease. In America people see the rich and think 'I want that some day' then work for it but here all they do is go green eyed. It is a pathetic attitude. Improve your lot by working hard not by benefits or by having some bureaucrat dictate what you get paid.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Bite the bullet and do it,
http://www.emigrate2.co.uk/usa/ no more British Disease no more socialists breathing air meant for you
Audere est facere.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Better still Martin, why don't you go to a country that better suits you socialists instead of inflicting that bankrupt doctrine on the UK - how about North Korea?
Me, I would prefer to stay and fight your kind who promote what can only be described as an 'equality of misery'.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Some people think 35 hours a week is full time. But work 55-60 hours and even at NMW you will earn a living wage.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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am trying to work out the connection between employers paying the minimum wage and north korea.
Brian Dixon
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north korea 5 quid a month howard with no prospects of bettering ones self.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well said harry
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Scrooge employer warning: "Pay at least the minimum wage!!" Say HMRC
Students and seasonal staff working over the Christmas holidays are being reminded by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) not to accept less than the National Minimum Wage (NMW).
Temporary seasonal workers - such as students working as bar staff, shop assistants or warehouse staff - are usually eligible for NMW. If they are not being paid what they are legally entitled to, they should contact the Pay and Work Rights Helpline.
Michelle Wyer, Assistant Director of National Minimum Wage, HMRC, said:
"We want to make sure that seasonal staff and students are paid what they are entitled to. "
"HMRC investigates every complaint made to the Pay and Work Rights Helpline, so whether you're pulling pints or pulling a sleigh this Christmas, if you're being short-changed you should get in touch."
Employers found by HMRC to not be paying the minimum wage can expect a penalty, could be named, and in the worst cases, face a possible criminal prosecution. Last year HMRC action successfully resulted in over 26,000 workers across the UK getting a share of £4 million in arrears. After HMRC's investigations, over 700 employers received a penalty.
Anyone not being paid what they are entitled to should phone the free Pay and Work Rights Helpline on
0800 917 2368, where they can lodge a complaint Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Paul
why do you think the minimum wage is a good wage ??
Could you survive on this wage
Why do you think that mass competition for British working class jobs are good for British workers
The only way to increase low pay is a shortage of workers.
The party you support wants to keep the in flow of cheap workers coming in guaranteeing that the UK poor stay poor.
Maybe you can publish the gang masters investigation department telephone number
They do not publish it for the public.
You and others like you have no understanding of what's going on in this country concerning the low pay labour markets
Employment agencies and employers of low pay workers can side step your party's feeble employment legislation easily.
You cannot legislate away low pay and have open doors to mass inflows of low pay workers, its just setting the poor against the poor
Get your old clothing on, get down to one of the parasite agencies controlling the working lives of the poor in this country and see for yourself what's happening on the factory floor
In the real world If a worker rang the number you supplied ,they would be moved on very quickly
I despair at the Naivety of the labour party concerning low pay
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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This, above, will just ensure that there will not be as many such jobs as otherwise.
Pay should always be set by way of an agreement between what a willing potential employee will accept and what a potential willing employer is willing to pay. That is the only sensible way for pay to be set. A shortage of suitable labour will push up what employers will pay while a glut of suitable labour will reduce the pay.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
paul is not a member of the labour party, the press release from hmrc is simply advising people of their rights and warning rogue employers that they will be dealt with if they flout the law.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But he is a supporter (not an activist as far as I'm aware) though Howard - a Champagne Socialist.
Roger
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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I bet the figures below are all counted as employed and rather blows #60's myth out of the water.
Almost a fifth of British businesses have admitted to using unpaid interns to "get work done more cheaply" and prop up company profits during the recession, according to a new survey.
The research, carried out by YouGov on behalf of Internocracy - a social enterprise that develops work experience schemes for employers - found that 17% of UK businesses had taken on interns to use as a cheap source of labour, while 95% of the 218 UK managers who responded agreed that interns were "useful to their organisation".
The Internocracy study also found that only 12% of company managers and 10% of young people knew unpaid internships could be illegal under employment law.
"It's a real shame that young people don't know their employment rights," said Internocracy's chief executive, Becky Heath. "Conversely it is disappointing that businesses don't understand what interns are worth and the new talent, energy and enthusiasm they bring to the workplace."
Earlier this month Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, argued that unpaid internships were promoting a crisis of social mobility, in doing so apparently contradicting the views of the coalition's Conservative prime minister David Cameron.
The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development estimated that last summer there were a quarter of a million interns working in UK companies, with the vast majority believed to be unpaid positions.
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