Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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A game of blink ,but ed will be finished by the membership and the unions if he stands back and lets the conservatives back in,Even though a conservative government will have no power to govern.
I think the jocks will get it all eventually.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It won't be a case of letting the Conservatives back in Keith, not at all, it will be a case of the Conservatives winning.
I support a lot of UKIPs policies - many should be Conservative policies, but the only real way to action them is to vote Conservative.
The NHS - an extra 8 billion
Tax - no increases for 5 years
The Economy - growing and the best in Europe; more jobs created and, so unemployment down.
The EU - where coming out is the only way to control EU migration.
There are other reasons, but they must do for starters.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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This vote swapping idea is not right but entirely understandable if you feel your vote is almost pointless.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The marginals usually decide the outcome but there is no discernable trend towards any party in them overall.
http://news.sky.com/story/1477310/political-deadlock-not-in-the-marginsBrian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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may the fourth be with you all.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Didn't know you had a lithp Brian.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no roger.i got a droid.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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UKIP had a street stall outside the Town Council offices this morning making one final attempt to win over undecided voters.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Howard.Also undecided Labour Campaign coordinators and Labour Candidates. All welcome.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and not forgetting the bnp and nat/front and Britain first rif raf.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Yes Brian, that is one of ukip's vulnerabilities. They have taken in any old riffraff and some of them have brought the party into disrepute. It's the hallmark of a young movement; as the party matures, its processes will become more robust and there will be fewer unexploded idiots in their midst. Who knows, they might even become electable in a few years. Having said that, there are plenty of individual candidates who would make excellent mp material. But they will have to persevere.
I wonder if UKIP has a plan B in the event that we leave the EU anyway. Many Tory grandees are trying to steal UKIP's clothes by trumpeting how euro sceptic they have been since birth.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Brian the fascist BNP and British First/EDL are banned from joining UKIP.
I hope you are not calling UKIP members riff raff. I am sorry that you are upset because Dover Labour Candidates are coming to UKIP.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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BNP and EDL do not share a monopoly on riffraff. Janice Atkinson? Just saying.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Other than some of their toxic candidates, followers on social media do them no favours with constant references to "Labour Paedos" and constant use of foul language. I doubt that many are paid up members of UKIP but they use the logo on their status and they would certainly feel more at home with one of the groups Brian refers to than a serious political party.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I have found the more vociferous and blinkered who follow any party or candidate do their favourite no favours, Facebook is full of them.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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peter,i am not upset at all.
and yes ukip is full of out spoken rif raf,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Some interweb witticisms.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Gary Cox
6 May 12:14
Too many genuine disabled, sick, and vulnerable people are being caught up in this Governments savage Benefit Cuts, including their inhumane Bedroom Tax.
After 5 years of hell, with too many struggling to pay their bills, being demonized by this government, receiving threats from ATOS and losing benefits that are essential for them to simply survive, our genuine benefit claimants are being persecuted and sacrificed purely for vote catching.
How many more genuine & disable people have to suffer?
How many more are going to commit suicide?
These attacks on our genuine Sick and Disabled citizens Must End Now.
ATOS has been replaced by US company "Maximus" who are being paid twice as much as ATOS, with between £590m and £650m over the next three years, for services that are already provided by our own Doctors.
Couple this with the certain death of our NHS as we know it.
We cannot let the tories back in for another 5 years?
We all want fraud wiped out but not just benefit fraud, ALL types of fraud must be challenged.
Latest Government statistics taken from gov.uk website shows that benefit fraud is running at £1.5bn 2013/14 and this government is throwing what could amount to a cost of £20Billion at it, to prevent it, in a perverse claim that benefit fraud is the worse type of fraud.
However, it also shows that in 2013 "Official Error" in the benefits system, is costing the tax payer £0.7bn and yet they are doing nothing to rectify this problem, all caused by their own cutbacks in departmental staff.
In July 2012, DWP's annual report said Universal Credit's whole-life cost would be £13.85bn.
In its 2013-2014 annual report the DWP refused to reveal the whole-life cost for Universal Credit and IDS himself has continually avoided revealing the full cost to British tax payer and even more alarmingly, he has admitted that he is not going to reveal the true costs of implementing U.C. until next year, after the next election.
The Universal Credits system is a fiasco and we will never know the true cost, with many millions already been wiped out and taken from the true end cost
At least £20Billion of this cost could have saved our NHS?
In contrast Tax Fraud in 2013 was running at a cost of £14bn, yet virtually nothing is being spent by this government to stop this type fraud and with no tag being levelled at the perpetrators of this crime, we can only assume that this type of fraud is acceptable to them.
Returning this tory government into power for another 5 years will see the Death of our NHS, more benefit cuts will lead to more Deaths, more poverty, less real employment, more privatisation and more misery for a group of people who are the backbone of this country.
Do not waste your vote because you are fed up with politics, do not waste your vote because of apathy with the past.
Please vote for the Labour Party because it is your party and because it is the only party that, with the guidance of big trade unions like UNITE, RMT, ASLEF and others, who will right the wrongs of the last five years.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 1458- Registered: 16 Jan 2015
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Oh! So it's all about money; in a capitalist society it seems that this is all that matters.
Get a life, one that you earn rather than one that is subsidised by the nanny state. It's easy to blame whatever political party that takes your fancy for the mess the country finds itself in, but living off others has become a way of life expected by many in the UK today.
Too many rely on having children to gain more child benefit and tax credits etc. whilst others work their socks off to survive.
There are some genuine cases that warrant help. These should be properly checked out before taxpayers are made to foot the bill.
Let's get back to the days when, if you couldn't afford something, you went without until you could. Plastic debt is not the solution.
Too much emphasis is placed on the 'must have' items rather than the need.
Unfortunately whichever party 'wins' tomorrow, we all lose to those who want, want, want.........
