Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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You've got to laugh.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Further fun!
Head of Momentum John Lansman has shut down Momentum Youth and Students, asking for the them to cease using the name and handover Social Media Accounts.
Coincidentally, Lansman has held off on closing down Momentum Youth and Students until right before the close of voting for the Labour NEC - ensuring he gets as many obedient votes from MYS members for his NEC slate before pissing them off by banning their organisation.
He has a point though. Who needs 'Momentum Youth and Students' when you can 'encourage the developments of liberation networks'!
(I believe it's called intersectionality and seems to be taking over from clapped out 'class struggle' on the left)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Short memories. It's just like Militant/Liverpool never happened. Doubles and re-selections all round methinks.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The only names that mean anything to me are Jon Lansman and the cross dresser but from what I have read the three winning candidates are from the Pro Jezza wing of the party which doesn't bode well. The leader must not surround himself with yes persons.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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The Labour NEC is far from a group of "Yes sirs". Both the current chair and deputy chair are from trades unions (there are 15 trade union representatives of the 39 strong NEC). There are also many reps for the Constituency Labour Party (CLP), i.e. the grassroots members. The three extra places were allocated to increase membership voice and therefore awarded to the CLPs. I voted all three of them and having rubbed shoulders and chewed the fat with Jon and Rachel, would do again (assuming they don't go all-power hungry and run off with a 25-year-old model).
The leader has been overwhelming elected the leader twice over because of his principles, vision and solutions. It is little wonder that the party's membership that has swollen to 600,000 members, because of that belief in the leader, would vote for people to help mandate him and not for anyone likely to back the 172 'Labour' MPs that went against the wishes of the membership.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sounds like you are following the vengeful God of the Old Testament your Grace rather than the forgiving God of the New when it comes to Labour MPs?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bob has rather beaten me to it Your Grace but for a man of the cloth you seem rather vindictive.
Better to welcome back the 172 prodigal MPs and sharing a fatted calf with them than being nice to Jon Lansperson who hasn't done anything wrong in the first place.
It may sound unsporting but there we are.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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I take some of those parables under advisement.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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To paraphrase the Bishop 'Now that we in Momentum control the NEC and with the Tories in disarray, surely time to unite against the real enemy: Labour MPs'.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Ahhhh...paraphrasing - or being economical with the truth, in other words. My sea-salty friend, you really do moot in mysterious ways.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Good to see Labour party grass roots members choosing candidates sensibly rather than be brow beaten by Momentum.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/24/momentum-labour-selection-defeats-seats-control-partyGuest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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The grassroots Labour want their Labour candidates to be active and promote Labour values. End of.
Matthew 7:15
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We had an MP for 13 years that had Labour stamped through him like a stick of seaside rock. He watched as our much loved hospital was run down to almost nothing and stood aloof as the townspeople tried desperately to stop the barracks being turned into an open prison with all the prostitution and drug dealing that would accompany it.
Thanks to his loyalty to the party Dover is now a relatively safe Tory seat - end of with knobs on.
Brian Dixon
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would they be brass monkey ones howard.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#93 I refer you to the bible reference.
(#93 Would that be new Labour(neo-liberal) or Labour(not neo-liberal)?)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:
(#93 Would that be new Labour(neo-liberal) or Labour(not neo-liberal)?)
That mumbo jumbo from party hacks means nothing to traditional Labour voters that are looking for their representatives to act on their behalf.
Facts are the issue, hospital and open prison are what people understand. I didn't bother to Google your New Testament reference, I will just take it as Gospel.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Mr McSweeney1, I agree entirely with :"Facts are the issue, hospital and open prison are what people understand." which is why MPs need to be accountable and Labour MPs MUST be just that - accountable.
Accountable does NOT necessarily mean deselection in my book. It does mean letting the party members within the constituency have their say on who they'd like to have represent them. Selection and indeed reselection are fundamental principles of suffrage. That's meaningful democracy isn't it?
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Keith Sansum1
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Bishop
Of course local party members should decide, but although Some Momentum followers would be able to put themselves forward, others are excluded through the Women only Shortlist imposed on Dover.
So the Woman selected by the local party may well have been the best candidate even if the W.O.S. was not In place, but they will never know.
I think that issue alone will cause problems for the local party.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Bishop
Of course local party members should decide, but although Some Momentum followers would be able to put themselves forward, others are excluded through the Women only Shortlist imposed on Dover.
So the Woman selected by the local party may well have been the best candidate even if the W.O.S. was not In place, but they will never know.
I think that issue alone will cause problems for the local party.
You make a valid point, Mr Sansum1. I would make a point that men have been ballsing up the job of government for long enough though. It is about time that parliament reflected the make up of our nation(s) - Westminster does not reflect the broadly 50/50 male/female make up of the country.
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Reginald Barrington
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Following that irrefutable logic when will the party start proposing all Chinese or all white Caribbean shortlist if you want to truly represent the british make up, i'm also guessing jezza won't be up for the all jewish shortlist. They should all have approx 6 MP's and how do you a count for the requisite half white Irish traveller MP?
To the layman i think the term used is bull**it.
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