howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Social engineering always ends in tears a chap called Hitler tried it in the thirties although he took it to extremes in my view. The problem with the Labour party is that they are the only party in the UK not to have had or have a woman leader, I think there is about 15 all told. The local party even has a wimmins forum, how patronising is that?
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Interesting that only the men are offering full-throated opinions!
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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Bishop;
However you try to justify this it can't be right.
Having been involved the last time round in local labour meetings, most of the women were also against W.O.S.
They preferred whoever won, to have won on merit, not being imposed.
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Captain Haddock
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Had an intersting half hour with one of the would be wimmin PPCs and her minder in the Yacht Club today. Can't say much as we agreed Chatham House rules but she would make a much more impressive PPC than the cannon fodder sent over the top in the last two GEs.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Forgotten all about George Galloway, certainly got some front trying to rejoin the party.
https://order-order.com/2018/01/30/loony-left-legal-lolz-galloway-sues-lansman/Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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You must remember Howard that the People's Front of Judea always end up fighting the Judean People's Front rather than jointly confronting their common enemy the Romans. It was ever thus.
Revolution is like Saturn, it devours its own children. Georg Büchner
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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in the immortal words of Kilroy-Silk, all parties (though especially those to the right of centre) seem to operate on the basis of, "Shaft or be shafted!"
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:You must remember Howard that the People's Front of Judea always end up fighting the Judean People's Front rather than jointly confronting their common enemy the Romans. It was ever thus.
Revolution is like Saturn, it devours its own children. Georg Büchner
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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it's good that we have a changing labour party moving away from the centre, a healthy right and left brings competition for votes.
the left are losing votes over the extremist PC let them all in the brigade, and the right is losing votes over the weakness on the EU and housing.
at some point, they will all have to start listening to voters,, or a third Trump-like party could shoot all their foxes like what we are seeing in Europe
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
In Hackney, you can get jellied eels in the pie and mash shop on Broadway Market or order avocado tartare and espresso martinis from the cocktail bar a few doors down. There is prosecco on tap at the café by the canal as well as pints on offer at the traditional East End pub. This socially mixed London borough, where Victorian terraces fan out around 1960s council blocks, is a case study in gentrification. When I moved to the area 16 years ago, it was notorious for its “murder mile” where gangs clashed and gun and knife crime was rife. Although there are still stabbings, tech entrepreneurs have begun to open businesses along the route. The local economy is booming, and the schools are among the best in the country. At my son’s state primary, where almost a third of the children are eligible for the pupil premium, a measure of poverty, the results are impressive and lunches are cooked by a former Ottolenghi chef.
House prices have risen but there is plenty of social housing, and job opportunities have also grown. Instead of being a ghetto for the poor, Hackney has become a cosmopolitan area where wealthier families also want to live. This is surely a good thing but to leftwingers who have taken over the Labour Party, regeneration is something to be resisted at all costs. Jeremy Corbyn made a point of speaking out against “forced gentrification and social cleansing” in his party conference speech last year. In neighbouring Haringey, the Labour council leader Claire Kober has been forced out after a campaign by leftwingers against a £2 billion redevelopment involving a public-private partnership that would have created 6,500 new homes. Although most of the residents of the crime-ridden, crowded estates who stood to benefit from the plan support it, it is being blocked by members of the left-wing pressure group Momentum who themselves live mainly in leafy middle-class streets. Some of them even managed to infiltrate Haringey’s Northumberland Park estate residents’ association — getting themselves elected to the committee as “associate members” — despite living nowhere near it in order to claim there was local opposition to the proposed development. “Their fight is only against the council,” said Angela Bushell, chairwoman of the committee, who has lived there for 40 years. “They don’t care about the community.”
Leaflets were distributed claiming that families would be forced to move out of London if the regeneration project went ahead, even though the council had given every resident a legal right to a home in the new development. It was scaremongering and playing politics with people’s lives.
Meanwhile, campaigners against the development have no alternative proposal for dealing with the housing shortage that has left 3,000 families living in temporary accommodation.
Aaron Taylor, who lives in a two-bedroom flat on the Northumberland Park estate with his wife and four children, believes his family’s chance of improving their circumstances has been “taken away” by do-gooder leftwingers. “They are just out for their own moral victories,” he told me. “It’s all virtue signalling — they say to themselves ‘We’re doing a great thing to save the poor people, we are so self-righteous’ — but they don’t even live here. They celebrated with champagne when the scheme was scrapped but most of the people here can’t afford to buy that. It’s so hypocritical.”
This is not just a little local difficulty in north London but part of a wider trend. In Brighton, left-wing members of the local Labour party have expressed concerns about a public-private partnership that would create 1,000 new homes. Just like Haringey, there are threats to deselect councillors as the hard left asserts its control over local government. At the World Transformed political festival, organised by Momentum in Brighton last year, a poster reading “Danger — gentrification in progress” hung next to one saying “The Revolution Starts Now”.
There is also a strong element of liberal paternalism. One Haringey councillor, out door-knocking in wealthy Muswell Hill, was told that those living in the borough’s most impoverished estates needed to be made to understand the “bigger picture” about the evils of public-private partnerships. The sense of the ends justifying the means may help to explain the violent undercurrent on the left where bullying, intimidation and political manipulation is widespread. If the “bigger picture” is more important than personal respect, then anything goes. Nora Mulready, a welfare rights adviser who resigned her Labour Party membership over the Haringey row, thinks there has been a deliberate attempt to stoke division. “Gentrification is not social cleansing, it’s social mixing, but they don’t want that because they believe in class war,” she says. A key component of New Labour’s success in the 1990s was to associate the party with individual aspiration, which had long been the political property of the Tories. But now that same desire for self-improvement seems to be frowned upon by some on the left.
In his famous conference attack on the Militant Tendency in 1985, Neil Kinnock criticised the “rigid dogma” that was irrelevant to people’s real needs. “You can’t play politics with people’s jobs and with people’s services or with their homes,” the Labour leader said. Now it’s Momentum that is putting politics before people’s lives. The Marie Antoinettes of the left say “let them wave placards” while blocking regeneration schemes from the comfort of their own lovely, inherited homes.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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The Haringey HDV that this article totally misrepresents can be best summed up by looking at the words of Anti-Momentum Labour MP, David Lammy: Haringey Council has failed to carry the community with it and has appeared out of touch and heavy-handed. Residents have not been consulted properly, community concerns have not been allayed, financial risks have not been mitigated and the Council's own Overview and Scrutiny Committee have been ignored."
This article is disingenuous at best; well...what do you expect from Mr Murdoch and his lickspittle?!
Have a look at this, which is not Momentum and very much about the views of the local community:
http://stophdv.com/
Democratic politics is supposed to be about representing people, NOT representing the wills and whims of those that have a 'ker-ching' mentality.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Of course that article misrepresents those who are anti hdv, equally your stop hdv link misrepresents those who support the hdv, you said they said, is it any wonder people are getting pissed of with the corbyn left all they do is stamp their feet like petulant children, all the while the people who are effected get trod under foot, shouted over and ignored.
I'm pleased to have had some wonderfully enlightening conversations with some 15 & 16 yr olds in recent weeks from Labour strongholds in north who are adamant that they will not be voting labour if corbyn is still in charge, apparently the were taught about socialism in school and didn't think much of the idea.
They were also out of the loop when corbyn did his youth appeal and online mass media coverage and nobody likes yesterday's fad, the next wave of voters will not be so easily conned as this last lot.
Arte et Marte
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#113
I reiterate: Democratic politics is supposed to be about representing people, NOT representing the wills and whims of those that have a 'ker-ching' mentality.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Of course, like Canterbury the YOOF will make up there own minds
Anything that engages the youth can only be good
Although if Reginald chats to yoof like he does on here then maybe they were not so enlightened. lol
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Well they appear to be targeting him.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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If they are targeting Charlie they are not doing a good job, no candidate put up against him yet and unlikely to be a Momentum member.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Another over simplistic piece from another man who thinks he is smarter and brighter than he really is.
Of course their are issues and challenges with momentum, its policies and especially the behaviours of a hard core of its membership/associates but to liken this to the sheer idiocy that was Ted Knight's Lambeth is simplistic, childish and scaremongering (so regular politics then eh...). The mad rush of many on the tory side of the political divide to leap into bed with the first developer offering what appears to be a good deal is equally stupid and also adversely impacts the most vulnerable in society as is evidenced by the massive failure of developers to deliver affordable and social housing.
The issues in Haringey are more complex than he and many capitalist/tories attempt to portray. In no small part is the regular complaint that the council has failed to consult and engage the community, especially those who will most impacted by this and is again very much a case of "doing unto" than than "doing with".
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I take the unusual step of agreeing with the previous poster.
engaging with the local community will also get better results
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