howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Hopefully those who support a "no borders" policy will tear up their pieces of cardboard now.
Captain Haddock
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It would appear that at least some of the perpetrators of the Paris outrage took advantage of the Schengen Agreement to enter France from Belgium secure that there would be no border check on their identity or chance of their vehicle(s) being searched.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins
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I feel so sorry for the French people at the moment, fancy not knowing who is in their country because so many have freely travelled from goodness knows where.
Thank goodness we do not have an open border but how many potential terrorists have managed to slip through as an illegal immigrant.
I just hope the silent majority of peace loving Muslims in Europe will now speak out when they have doubts about their fellow worshippers, neighbours or friends.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Trouble is that moderate muslims tend to avoid controversy as best they can, I know this from living amongst them they just don't want to rock the boat.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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I know that the Paris attacks had nothing to do with Islam, but were the attackers non-Sunni or non-Shiite?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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They were definitely Shiite minus an i and t, sorry to those easily offended.
More seriously does it matter whether they were Sunni or Shiite they were terrorist scum and the world is better off without them, although unfortunately one seems to have escaped to Belgium.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bob was being satirical Jan, looking at the bigger picture what will happen now to the Syrians in transit now that we know they have been infiltrated by terrorists? Germany and Sweden will want to do thorough background checks on all demanding entry.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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They should be sent back to fight
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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No win situation for the Prime Minister here most of us want to see IS wiped off the face of the earth experience over the last 20 years show that bombing tends to attract new converts to terrorist groups and forces the innocent to flee meaning another refugee crisis.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-to-seek-parliamentary-approval-to-bomb-isis-in-syria-a6737731.htmlBob Whysman
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brussels in lock down now with the metro suspended and people being advised to stay indoors, only themselves to blame for allowing jihadists to flourish there.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brussels Police protect Brussels people from people who have been allowed to live in Brussels? Doh!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Correction - people who were born in Belgium (in most cases).
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Metro will reopen tomorrow despite there being a main suspect on the loose wearing a suicide belt by all accounts.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Peter Garstin wrote:Correction - people who were born in Belgium (in most cases).
I'm not sure that birth in Belgium is necessarily the point. In the UK for example we have for various reasons done away with the concept of 'patriality' where merely by being born in UK (or indeed on UK registered ship) one becomes British or indeed have a right to live here.
e.g. There used to be an even greater problem problem with the daily Lagos-Heathrow-Hillingdon Hospital flight when the punters were giving birth to 'British' children who had a right of abode in UK!
See here the problem in Ireland
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-leading-islamic-state-terror-suspect-still-in-ireland-thanks-to-irishborn-son-34206995.html
This certainly flags up the fact that with the liberal/lefty concept of multi-culturalism where all cultures are considered equal and diversity from cultural norms of our society are to be 'celebrated' rather than 'worried about' we are partially responsible for the state we find ourselves in.
As we used to say the fact that Jesus was born in a stable does not make him a horse.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
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Don't agree Bob. If you admit refugees on a permanent basis (as France and Belgium did in the '50s and '60s) you have to accept that their offspring will be citizens by birth. And we whiteys bear just as much responsibility for the failure of immigrant communities to integrate by our failure to welcome them.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brussels still in lock down today with schools and the Metro closed. many raids and arrests but the main suspect still on the loose.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I see that the esteemed Right Honourable Dave is busy trying to convince MP's to back his calls for an all out attack on ISIS in Syria pledging 1 billion quid for reconstruction afterwards. Bearing in mind he also says that the war could take many years and the cost would be phenomenal would it not be more cost effective to desist from bombing in the first place?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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No.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"