Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Ok, I will start. Absolutely shambolic - and farcical given the upcoming Commonwealth Heads of State meeting.
More generally, I simply don't understand why it is that for a country so completely and utterly obsessed with immigration, we appear to have no idea whatsoever who comes in, goes out and why. Perhaps we will now finally drop this ridiculous "tens of thousands" immigration target that does nothing but cause pain and hardship (not least of all for the HOme Office!).
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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seeing that they where brought to fill a labour gap after ww2.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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All the posts have disappeared.
I think Neil is wrong as most other European countries are much more obsessed as evidenced by the rise of the far right all over the show.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Confusion reigns as Neil has started a thread that was posted in another forum.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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If you want to see a squirming, odious display of sophistry on this subject then look no further than James Cleverly's appearance on today's Daily Politics. Apparently, he is deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party. I can't help but wonder what the locals think of him. Our fishy friend will presumably be happy to see so many "darkies" being treated like dirt. Or are they still jungle bunnies perhaps....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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No it is NOT. Printed by an NGO specifically for Jamaican prisoners who are about to be deported having served long prison sentences in UK.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:No it is NOT. Printed by an NGO specifically for Jamaican prisoners who are about to be deported having served long prison sentences in UK.
Incorrect this is the booklet that covers people about to be deported.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/479438/Coming_Home_Booklet.pdfCaptain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The booklet does NOT contain your screenshot Howard. I believe it is from advice offered by the National Organisation of Deported Migrants (NODM) - a not for profit organization that was established to assist deported migrants to adjust to their new lives in Jamaica. It is NOT Home Office advice.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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There is no way that document was written by a civil servant!
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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- Posts: 8,069
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:None of this would have happened if the Government, in 2011, had not foolishly scrapped ID cards.
Plain silly. ID cards are no proof against deportation, racial discrimination or plain old murder, cf Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Israel etc. But they
are expressions of an increase in governmental power over the individual.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Any more than the issue of bank notes is proof against forgery or theft. Bloody useful though aren't they?
Your argument is that normally used by mad American survivalists ......................
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The thing that puzzles me is so many don't have a passport despite being here 30 or more years. I know for a fact that most Caribbean people pay money into an account with travel agents that specialise in flights to that part of the world so in the event of a wedding or funeral back home they wouldn't have to suddenly find a large sum of money. A Jamaican bloke told me of it back in 2000, I suppose this practice will fizzle out as younger ones born here would not be interested.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The thing that puzzles me is so many don't have a passport despite being here 30 or more years.
I no longer have a passport as I am not planning on going abroad again, should I change my mind I can reapply, I guess it is the same for many from the Caribbean area.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Any more than the issue of bank notes is proof against forgery or theft.
Poor analogy, as expected. But raising the ID cards issue is, in any case, a fatuous attempt to deflect.
Truth is, British citizens have been denied the right to remain by the policies of a party utterly obsessed with race and immigration. The landing cards issue may allow squirming Tories hanging like worms on hooks to score points, but the cards were destroyed under May's watch and, more importantly, it was May as Home Secretary who introduced the legislation which means that some British citizens have been deliberately put in the position of being obliged to provide proof that they have never left the country, i.e. to
prove a negative. Many have lost jobs, careers, entitlements and more, and many have been denied re-entry when they have been outside the country, which is de facto deportation.
I'm pleased to see the sewage backing up and overflowing into the house that Tory built. There's a deep seam of hostility running right through that noisome party from high cabinet to lowly councillor, and that hostility is evident whether you're a public service worker, a union member, unemployed, disabled, or a British citizen from the Commonwealth. To think that only this last weekend the Maybot tried to fool us into believing that our morals were of such high purity that we could act as the world's ethical enforcer. It would be risible if it wasn't so fetid.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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FUN FACT. Part of the reason that the Empire Windrush generation was actively encouraged to come here was a lack of bus drivers. This was of course because the
unions would not allow a woman to drive a London bus until
1974!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Another fail, but great that you're showing your true colours: knew all the time you were a radical feminist.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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No chiice. Like King Lear, 3 daughters, only difference is he only had two ungrateful ones.....
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
