Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
22:0631069We've done it before and it will continue to go on.Sometimes the West think its better to support a corrupt govt you can manipulate than a new one that is beyond control.
As for Army leaders they would be better served sticking to their daytime jobs and keep out of politics until they retire or resign.Then when they enter the House of Lords they can spout off to their hearts content.
Like all govt servants they are paid to do a job as we were whether they agree or not with the government of the day and their policies.
I wasn't overly keen on refusing people entry into the UK or worse still deporting them but it had to be done regardless of how sorry I may have felt for the individual concerned.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
06:4931087Surely though Marek, it is better that we hear from those who actually know what should be done and those politically motivated because of their party.
I think we should be taking more notice of the Army generals, than dumbo's like Ainsworth.
If you seem to want to let in all and sundry, there would come a time where we just cannot cope with more of the World's poor and hard-done-by people - I think that time has long passed.
It is because the two main parties are ignoring people's concerns on immigration etc. that parties like the BNP make ground. We should listen to the people and take sensible action, not ignore them and leave them to the likes of the BNP.
Roger
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
07:3131094Roger
It's a very fine line to cross when we allow military leaders a political soap box.It happens in Africa quite often and just look how many Army generals are now dictators of their country.
By all means all military leaders should have an imput but this could be done 'in camera' at government meetings. It should not be done in The Sun newspaper or on GMTV. It makes me doubt these Generals motives.Self publicising and self promotion ready for their retirement job as a tv pundit or expert or a real concern for their troops.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 October 2009
09:5031097ainsworth was a popular choice with the military to take on the job of defence secretary
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
11:0831099Howard - that is simply not true and has been exposed as pure Labour spin, an utter lie in fact. Ainsworth is viewed by the military with contempt in anything.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
15:5231115That's what I heard Barry.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
16:3231120Here is a thread on ARRSE, comments and a poll about the old Commie Ainsworth......
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=135518.htmlGuest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
16:5131122Some ARRSE comments on Ainsworth.
"it p***ed me off the other week when Ainsworthless described himself as more of a "Sergeant Major type" or something like that. How dare he be so arrogant to think he's got what it takes to get into the Sgts Mess and rise to Warrant rank, rather than the officer route. I think he was trying to equate himself to a shop steward type role rather than a 'born leader' officer type, but he sounded like a patronising c**t!"
"Had the pleasure of meeting the goon in bastion on a demo, seems thick as mince and has bad breath."
The language on ARRSE is, shall we say, a lot more blunt and robust than here, I 'civilised' two of the descriptive nouns. There is a lot more like that too and nothing favourable. They have a poll on whether he is up to the job, the two people who voted yes admit to having clicked the wrong box in error!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 October 2009
17:1731125hardly constructive barry, this arrse website will hardly encourage people to reach a decision.
just appears to be a sixth form secret magazine.
Brian Dixon
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21 October 2009
18:5731134its a comic book straight from the kremlin.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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21 October 2009
21:1531145Its actually quite a good and very extensive site. Once again instead of justifying a position we see a source denegrated. That is not actually a way to advance a case.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 October 2009
21:4531148i do not think the language used advanced a case either barry.
the internet is full of such stuff, few take it seriously.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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21 October 2009
23:3231150Just for info.
The ARRSE web site was created for serving and ex forces personnel.
Many people have been helped through this web site and is also an aid for people to get things off their chest, male and female. god knows some of them need it.
It's just the same as this or any other forum but goes just that little bit further.
It's not a comic book straight from the Kremlin or a sixth form magazine, and yes they do use bad language.
If you don't like it, don't look at it. just the same as your tv.
I am not a member and have very rarely looked at it but if it had been around 25yrs ago I could have found it very useful.
Not a good idea to bring the web site into the public eye really Barry. Most people don't understand.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2009
03:3931151Howard and Barry yes the language on the arrse can be a bit ripe but it is servicemen and women current and ex, as regards its charity efforts i was present on the 31st of July this year at an arrse crawl in London when one of the arrse maidens was one the 4th plinth in Trafalgar square. We managed to raise enough cash that night to send a 23yr old widow with 2 young kids to Spain for a week including spending money, not bad for something from the Kremlin. Brian wind your neck in stop knocking and do something for someone else for a change. As for bob they would love him to spend 6months in Helmond then he would learn the colour of fear is brown not the politician.
beer the food of the gods
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2009
07:4331156Well said guzzler. The language is juicy but is that not what you would expect from the Forces and so what.
Ian, ARRSE is in the public eye and is often referred to by the mainstream media in the way I did.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 October 2009
19:1931212guzzler,no need to wind my neck in,if it gets any shorter i would be like the andriod from star wars.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
20:3232412WELL, After todays news who would like to take the lead?
Even the bent coppers stop and freely give their equipment away to the taliban, rifles and body armour.
I know why we whent there but IS there any point in staying there?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
20:4632419my view entirely ian.
what chance have our forces really got?
if you do not know who the enemy is, there is little chance of putting a stop to their activities.
everything is bent there, and we try to enforce our idea of democracy on them.
the taleban have a foothold in every aspect of life there, whether local or national goverment, the afghan army and police, time for our troops to be withdrawn.
4 November 2009
20:4632420For once I am speechless about this. Speechless and angry.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
08:2532449I agree Bern, but I'm not sure what to do next.
We can't/shouldn't continually run someone else's country and if that Government is as corrupt as it seems to be, why stay ? If the Police who we are dying to train, don't support us, what's the point in trying ?
A big reassessment is now very necessary and urgent.
Roger