Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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11 January 2010
13:0437180I know its only a small percentage Harry, thats what our leaders need to sort out.
Get them off the streets and into what ever, even if it is the forces or boot camp and make an example of them.
It will send out a message to one and all that if they don't want to fit in with society then that is the road their going down.
Keep them away from the public until they are willing to conform.
Bern, I think this time round the public are not going to have short memories, I dont think this will go away for a long time.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
11 January 2010
13:5737182One of my worries was not forcing decent soldiers to put up with the assorted conscripts - but on reflection, I think they would be well able to deal with them!!!!
Brian Dixon
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11 January 2010
17:3737205conscripted at 16 with a combo of disapline and education for the first 3 years,with 3 years active service to follow.and a futher 6 years in reserve.that should suffice for now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 January 2010
20:2437226how will it be funded brian?
12 years of producing nothing useful in return except 3 years in active service sounds very expensive.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 January 2010
20:3037227howard,it all so cuts youth unenployment hence saving the goverment enploying youth advisers all so cuts out crime related incidents,youth courts,tagging etc.all money saved could be focused into this.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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12 January 2010
08:1937267I do hope your not serious Brian, we'd like to make better people of them, not drag them down even further.
And what would you do with the ones aged between 10yrs and 15yrs old.
They are usualy the worst ones.
It's nice to talk about this sort of thing on a forum but what we realy need is for our leaders to kick something into gear and not just talk.
I dont think we will see it in our life time.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 January 2010
08:2637268ian,just look at the people who did natinol service,paul danials,tommy cooper etc.look how they turnedout.
as for the 10 to 15 year olds theres allways the combinded cadet force.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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12 January 2010
08:3137270Did they all have ASBOS then Brian? where they all a burden on society?
There is a big difference between the 1950s and todays problems.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 January 2010
08:3437271maybe not but the system did work.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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12 January 2010
08:3837272Yes we know Brian, its what we are discussing.
The Question is how to do it and who is going to take it on board.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 January 2010
09:1337275The introduction of National Service would not only cost this country billions of pounds, but dilute the professional services with undesirables who would not want to be there. They would have to be trained, fed, equipped, housed and permanently supervised all for what exactly? Avoiding ASBOs, take them off benefits and something vague about 'teaching them respect'? The cost to the economy would make it unworkable and the services wouldn't want them.
Far better that continual offenders be constructively utilised in work schemes that would benefit our community.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 January 2010
11:4737277you may be right phil,but i was thinking about training in a trade which would benifit sociaty in genral.in this case the building trade,pluming,carpentry etc.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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12 January 2010
22:2037356There is no need for National Service for all youngsters just those who keep falling foul of the law and putting that in place of the ASBO which clearly does not work.
There is also no need to spoil the Military we all ready have. Special units could be set up, then when they are ready and have some discipline send them out to regular military units.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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12 January 2010
23:4037375National Service is not much use to the armed forces as by the time someone is half trained in this technological age, it is time for them to go. They would not be happy to receive recruits from all across society as in the past, let alone just the yobboes.
The army used to take the vast majority of National Servicemen. Quite possibly the nasty pieces of work we propose to send them might come out with new skills in how to attack people and physically fitter to boot. Some of the main complaints the general populace have about the youth of today are about drunken behaviour and fighting. I seem to recall that, when the army was based in Dover, the squaddies had something of a reputation for doing just that.
Prison or a Young Offenders institution are a waste of time as well as they get to mix with their own kind and learn the whole gamut of criminal behaviour in a finishing school for criminals.
Perhaps some sort of civilian labour corps might be the answer, with hardcase instructors who shout at them a lot.
A comedian on TV the other night made the point that since it is the older generation who are always so keen on reintroducing National Service, perhaps it is them who should be called up.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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12 January 2010
23:4837376Maybe Ken it is because the older generation did National Service and they know from experience it turns the boy into a man.