Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#41
If it is the telly that is now occupying officer time and preventing them dealing with the "state of the town" what has it been for the last gawd knows how many years that has meant they have pretty much done nothing?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#42
susan
i have been scratching my head and can still not work out what "pub humour" is.
incidentally, you have mentioned anti social behaviour many times, why does the council say that they have an asbo unit when it clearly is not functioning?
you are a cabinet member, a direct answer would be appropriate.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,214
#43
Anti-social behaviour is rife around midnight at weekends in the Market Square as people leave pubs fuelled up. Why should the screen which will be turned off by 11pm at the latest, create more of this? It's a problem we already have as do most town centres, and certainly is not going to be started by the installation of a screen. Notwithstanding the regular police drive-by car patrols, the heavy CCTV coverage and the fact that the Market Square is a no-drinking zone anyway.
Conversely, the screen may well have the effect of keeping people out of the pubs to watch it and thereby decreasing alcohol fuelled anti-social behaviour.
Sadly many of these screen discussions are like banging one's head against a brick wall. Not everyone wants to see the town revert to an Edwardian wonderland. This issue is bigger than just the Market Square itself, we've got to progress and move forward, looking back and dreaming with rose-tinted spectacles whilst fantasizing about investment will get Dover no-where.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#44
here here phil nicley put.
#45
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
- Posts: 635
#46
"Sadly many of these screen discussions are like banging one's head against a brick wall. Not everyone wants to see the town revert to an Edwardian wonderland. This issue is bigger than just the Market Square itself, we've got to progress and move forward, looking back and dreaming with rose-tinted spectacles whilst fantasizing about investment will get Dover no-where."
Phil - spot-on as ever. We must meet for a beer and commonsense-sharing workshop soon.
Cheers,
Andy
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#47
What makes you think it will be turned off at 11pm Phil ?
It'll be on for a minimum of 16 hours per day; to be turned off by 11pm, it will have to have been turned on by 07.00 in the morning.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#48
roger,thats what has been recomended by the olypic people.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,214
#49
"What makes you think it will be turned off at 11pm Phil ?"
Because it clearly states so on the planning application:
http://www.secure.dover.gov.uk/planning_online/acollate_docs/86138_11.pdf
As a DDC councillor and someone with an interest on the planning committee is there something you are not telling us Roger? In fact, with the greatest respect, why are we the public telling you what the plans are?
DDC brochure for interest:
http://www.secure.dover.gov.uk/planning_online/acollate_docs/86138_1.pdfGuest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#50
Thanks Phil (I'll ignore the sarcasm).
I missed the bit about 07.00 to 11pm, just that it will be on for a minimum of 16 hours a day.
I was drawn once again to the comments:
"The need for urgent regeneration to occur at Dover is acknowledged"
And:
"The Annual Monitoring Report (AMR) for Dover DC 2007/08 identifies that social and economic deprivation is a significant issue and that Dover is one of the most deprived areas in the region."
Also:
"Other key issues at Dover are poor perceptions, no destination hotel, general
quality of restaurants, shops, entertainment and public areas and strength of links
between dispersed attractions."
Roger
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
- Posts: 573
#51
Add to that 'and a Council that has done little to nothing over the last 20 years'. If ever there was a need for change and action not continual talking this town needs it.
#52
Without wanting to cause offence, it does seem that most of the identified areas of concern and identified needs have been the same for some years without significant improvements being made - that's not to say some haven't been made, but certainly not enough to earn any kudos.
#53
I think I might have more time and respect for some DDC councillors if they learnt to write, spell and punctuate correctly!! That's where they let themselves down!!
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,214
#54
Roger,
Many apologies if I came over as sarcastic, no offence was intended. However, I was understandably quite frustrated that someone on the planning committee for the screen didn't, on the face of it, appear to be fully aware of the actual contents of the application.
"I missed the bit about 07.00 to 11pm, just that it will be on for a minimum of 16 hours a day."
But the whole point here is the planning application states that the proposed broadcast times are within the hours of 7am-11pm. Nowhere does it say that it'll be on for a MINIMUM of sixteen hours a day - indeed how could it be? To broadcast over 16 hours a day would take it beyond the proposed operation parameters.
I've attached an image of the relevant section to clear this up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#55
i think that this is all very similar to a pub or restaurant requesting a certain amount of hours to serve booze.
they rarely utilise all of the hours.
with the screen i doubt whether the 7 am start will last for very long.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
- Posts: 3,391
#56
Sue
Sad you have taken this line, at the end of the day whether BERN is tory, Labour, Lib Dem or no party it doesn't matter, on here we can post and disagree.
I often disagree as you know with other posters and will continue to do so,
We do have to have some light hearted times, I have to say having attended the full council your leader leaving the room showed disrespect when you were speaking, and you did make a passionate speech which is your right.
At least Nigel did sit through it, it was sad to see the number of snide remarks being mafde whilst you spoke.
Although I don't agree with your stand on this screen I derfend your right to stick up for your constituents.
Nobody doubts your cvommitted to what you believe in, but theres nowt wrong with having socialist views like BERN may have.
In the past Sue we have worked together on many projects and been on the same side.
So Sue just get on and fight fotr what you believe in, thats all you can do.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#57
keith
how is susan standing up for her constituents, they all live out well away from market square.?
how long did this speech go on for incidentally?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#58
Howard , some of the people whom I represent are concerned about the ongoing costs .Some work in the Market Square Area,and like me feel that the TV will be intrusive.I also promised a lady who lives in Dolphin House that I would make her concerns known plus one or two of the shop owners.
Yes Keith is correct some councillors were most disrespectful.Howard about five minutes .Only three at planning .
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
- Posts: 7,819
#59
Just to pick up Diana's point about the skill levels of councillors. Its a fact isnt it, that to be a councillor you require absolutley no skill levels in any field whatsoever. You can be as thick as two short planks and still be a councillor. Thats part of the core problem of the whole system.
A couple of hundred people vote for you and before you know it you may be handling projects worth millions, but with no prior skill level whatsoever or indeed relevant experiance of any kind. Its almost madly amusing, if it wasnt so odd.
In real business, and I have some experience here, you wouldnt hire a dockworker to do your accountancy, you wouldnt hire a roadsweeper to run your IT system...but that logic all gets suspended in the weird world of the Councillor system, and thats why we spend our whole lives engaged in some sort of mad rumba dance...three steps forward, three steps back, three steps forward, three steps back, on a circular dancefloor...same problems still exist, that were there 20 years ago, as someone said earlier. Round and round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows...
The best that can be said for the Councillor system
a. its democracy in action
b. some have enthusiasm and it makes up some of the shortfall.
But many of us have the ghastly feeling that the lunatics are in charge of the asylum!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
- Posts: 3,391
#60
Have to say I'm bemused by your latest comment PAULB
You are correct Cllrs are elected and don't have to have any skills.
I'm not sure how you would ever get over that problem, unless we go back to the days that only people with lots of dosh and educated can fill such positions.
I hope we never go back to that.
Whilst some Cllrs may not have financial backgrounds they will have come from many different backgrounds, which in itself can be helpful.
Its using all the different skills of these people in the right way and encouraging them.
I did find in my short time on the council the lack of elected cllrs speaking at meetings.
It used to be the same 8 or 9 cllrs out of 45 cllrs!!
So I do feel Paulb there is a need to get cllrs from all walks of life.
SUE
I did carefully word that 1 as you know your leader was very critical with you on that very point.(your ward River)not in the town
You do have a right to push forward the views of your constituents in thre River area as many will visit the town and market square.
It was interesting only 1 other cllr voted with you sue, but 5 or 6(cos they did it very quietly and quickly)
didn't have the bottle to say yes or no and abstained(im afraid thats a cop out for me)
and i'm sure cllrs will attempt in the future to give the impression they didn't support it.
Will watch that one with interest.
At the end of the day a big majority voted for the screen and have to justify it, I hope it does work out well, and help Dover which in the Town centre realy needs help.
Lets see how it goes.
