Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Part of the marina is in the Granville Dock and the tidal basin, this is going to be filled in, see picture -
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276432/Article/images/23020541/6965373-large.jpgGuest 1359- Registered: 29 Sep 2014
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Maybe it is too late to do somthing about the plans maybe it isn't but surely we can shape the role of the Community Director. Isn't a bit strange that the Comminity Fund was created without their input? A fund which George Jenkins said was to be 'hands off' at the last meeting. Seemingly replicating the Big Local and nothing to do with the regeneration of Dover Town. My view is that if the harbour was not there we would not have been bombed like we were, would not have had the town sliced in two. would not have footfall taken away from the town and their new plans just keep the rich on one side and the poor on the other where is their input into regeneration? £100K administered hands off. Theycould do far better if they truly engaged with the town and listened to what is truly needed.
Fred Dover
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
- Posts: 622
Dover is the busiest roro port in Europe, and is responsible directly and indirectly for thousands of jobs. Enough said.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In other words we all sit back and tug our forelocks whilst accepting the fact that we are losing facilities, grateful for any crumbs that come our way from the harbour board.
This is Dover not North Korea.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Not at all, Howard. As I mentioned, I think we'll actually gain facilties and the Port are engaging the local community in the process. The point I was making is that we must not forget the economic importance of the port. As with most things, a balance needs to be sought.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
The way I see it the DHB benefits from the port and maybe the country as a whole benefits but the local population of Dover suffers from a lot of problems because of it.
When my husband first worked on the ferries everyone was a local employee then those from outside the area, I remember Liverpool being mentioned, started to take the jobs so they were/are little or no help to the local economy.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Are the local community really engaged in the port? I don't think so, the minister must have expected a bit more than the derisory sum on offer Kevin, also decisions being made on how it is spent 3 months before the community director takes office.
As Jan points out the changes in shift patterns mean that people from all over the country vie for jobs on the ferries, I know of someone that commutes from Newcastle because one high rail fare every 2 weeks is set against 2 weeks wages.
People who live along Snargate Street, Townwall Street and in Aycliffe suffer the most from port activities,I doubt that their share of £.100, 000 will help them out.
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Having some experience in the area of corporate responsility with large PLCs £100K is certainly not derisory. This is on top of the many community activities the Port take an active role in.
My understanding is that the community director will not run the community fund, rather they will be drawn from the local community, and like all non-executive directors, bring an independent view and hold the executive to account. The Board makes decisons collectively.
On employment, Howard, there are no doubt many people from Dover who have likewise travelled elesewhere in the country for work. The fact remains the port is the biggest single employer, I suspect in the whole District, and many local people rely on it for work.
I live near the port too, and yes the traffic can be a problem at times, but the Port are seeking to address this with the scheme at the Eastern Docks. We can't do anything about our geography as the closest point to France! Unless the UK has a massive renaissance in manufacturing and switches to home grown produce we'll continue to be a major port.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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"In the past, it employed many more people, for 60% of Dover inhabitants were working for the port. Now, with the system of one week on/one week off, most of the staff do not come from Dover, making other towns in England benefit from its revenues. Consequently Dover needs to base its economy on other activities and sources of profit. Unfortunately, there is no major business park, almost all businesses are linked with the port, hence a need for diversification. Sources of employment are thus quite rare; furthermore, the level of qualifications is poor."
Jack of Hearts
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#28, Having attended the workshop at CT2 last week I can confirm that it is not yet decided who will administer the fund, however it appears that decisions as to how the funds should be used are to be made by the Port of Dover Community Trust, chaired by the Bishop.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,017
Jack have you not visited The Port Zone,White Cliffs Business park and the smaller park where RK Graphics are located.All these business parks are expanding.I visit these places .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Does anyone know what will happen to the Granville Dock once it is filled in?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,225
Howard, the Granville Docks area & surrounding area are where the cargo based facilities & associated logistics are to be located. The is the job creating area of the developments - 600 extra jobs to be created- on top of those transferring from the Eastern Docks.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Sue, not my words but an independent study. The White Cliffs Business Park is not part of Dover town and I suspect will eventually become a town in its own right. Most Whitfield residents already feel 'detached' from Dover.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Agreed, Jack, educational attainment and skills needs to be improved to equip young people to make the most of the opportunities on offer at the port, Discovery Park, etc. We have some good schools, but more needs to be done to raise aspriations. East Kent College have a good reputation for vocational education and their take over of the Dover campus should improve FE provision. The development of the Maritime Skills Academy by Viking Recruitment will also be beneficial.
I personally don't view Dover town, or indeed any other part of the district, in isolation.
Guest 1359- Registered: 29 Sep 2014
- Posts: 7
Did consultation with the towns people really take place or did it just passs me by??? I didn;'t see it in the papers? Was it there?
Fred Dover
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
- Posts: 381
Kevin, good to hear further education is being improved as this will certainly reap huge benefits for Dover. As for a district in isolation I am not so confident. Deal & Sandwich seem very keen to isolate themselves from Dover and I fear Whitfield will go the same way.
Jack of Hearts
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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Hope this is the correct thread, if not you will have to transfer it.
Contractors have walked away from the Regeneration of the Western Docks.
The mess and the silence are spell-binding
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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And the source of this story?
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