Keith Sansum1
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Post 415
Again if he's happy as things are , the vast majority of people living in Dover are not.
Whether you have lived in Dover all your life or not is not relevant .
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Post 415
Again if he's happy as things are , the vast majority of people living in Dover are not.
Whether you have lived in Dover all your life or not is not relevant .
I agree with the last bit; for example, I moved here in 1975 - does that mean my 'immigrant' opinion doesn't count, whereas any Dovorian born after 1975
is entitled to a say in how
my money should be spent? What about people born in the town who have moved out to the villages, such as River?
As regards the first bit, I don't know the views of the vast majority of people living in Dover, but I do wonder whether the case has been made for any "development" - in other words, do we actually need any or should we just stay as a dormitory town? If the good residents of, say, River, Eythorne, etc have said " hey, we need more visitors to fleece, so let's build some attraction or other and the accommodation to go with it", I must have missed it.
PS: now I come to think of it, how's the pump-priming of Dicken's Corner
and subsequent properties that DTC subsidised going?
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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Can we add the good residents of Aycliffe Village as well..
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Some interesting points Gary\button
Today's a hot sunny day to enjoy the beach area
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victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
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I never once said you had to live in Dover al your life to voice what you think, what I did say in a round about way stop knocking the town you chose to live in please .
Button- Location: Dover
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victor matcham wrote:I never once said you had to live in Dover al your life to voice what you think, what I did say in a round about way stop knocking the town you chose to live in please .
So you did, my apologies! In my case I was stationed here (that's what comes of putting 'anywhere' on the form), married locally and never returned home - which doesn't look much like home any more, thus proving the adage 'you can never go back'. I don't accept your gagging order though!
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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It’s a case “It wasn’t me gov “ I have lived in Dover 52 years .The house I live in 24 years so maybe I’m a local now .
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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victor matcham wrote:I never once said you had to live in Dover al your life to voice what you think, what I did say in a round about way stop knocking the town you chose to live in please .
Not in so many words. You did, however, suggest that anyone who had the temerity to find fault with the town but was not a "life long" Dovorian should clear off back to the place of their birth. That is what I found ludicrous. Maybe re-read your post?
#422 - Button - The farce that was the 'charity' LoveDover has long since morphed into the land grab that anyone with any common sense knew that it was from the start. Remember all the pathetic press releases proclaiming how wonderful they were for having "already" acquired one property in the town? LoveDover has done nothing charitable since and Dickens Corner chugs away as a privately owned business struggling to make a modest profit. I doubt there's any chance of the taxpayers being returned their money for the public good and to even up the unfair subsidy that Dickens Corner has enjoyed over its competitors.
What piqued my curiosity was your reference to
subsequent properties. Am I disparaging them unjustifiably or is this another piece of local cronyism?
Button- Location: Dover
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I thought I read somewhere at the time that the profits from the shop and accommodation above it would be ploughed into a second property, and so ad infinitum.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:I thought I read somewhere at the time that the profits from the shop and accommodation above it would be ploughed into a second property, and so ad infinitum.
No evidence of that in the published accounts of either LoverDover (supposed charity) or Market Square Kitchen Ltd, the registered business at what once was Dickens Corner.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Lacked credibility at the time. Even more risible now.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Maybe another question is it's income last shown is down to £7,000
So to do all these works where's this money !
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Maybe another question is it's income last shown is down to £7,000
So to do all these works where's this money !
Yep. Last set of publicly available accounts show an income of c£7K (from rent) offset by an expenditure of roughly the same amount (property development, utilities, insurance etc.).
So it would appear that Market Square Kitchen Ltd is still being subsidised to an extent by the LoveDover charity in respect of property costs.
There is no indication of any revenue being used for any other 'charitable' purposes.
These accounts only go as far as September 2021. I'd be very happy for someone from LoveDover to come on here and clarify things. Lots of people were very keen to shoot me down when I first raised concerns about the propriety of this venture. Now is their chance to explain why i was wrong.
Don't forget that DTC's initial, no strings attached grant was the princely sum of £375,000 of taxpayers' money.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Going back to comments a few days ago, we moved to Deal in the early 1960's when it was still known as a mining area. Dover was a nice clean well looked after town back then, since then it has become more depressed and neglected as The Harbour has expanded and the harbour traffic grew.
Until MP as well as all our local Councillors really care what happens to Dover as opposed to their chosen political party dictates, I can see little changing.
LoveDover appears to have turned into yet another a complete con that seemed such a good idea at the time.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Yes Jan I remember when Deal was run down after the mines closed and then when the Royal Marines School closed. People would travel to Dover on a Saturday because the high street was much better here.
All changed now and the complete opposite. People will have different views on why this is but I still keep coming back to the point that Dover has had significantly more investment and most of this has been guided by DDC. If we challenge anything we get the usual response that if we don't spend the money we wont get it but all this money has been wasted in my opinion. Poor planning, badly executed and a district council that has no interest in listening to people that actually live or visit.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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DP.
I understand where you come from , but Dover has struggled for many years and continues to.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The great thing about Deal is that apart from resurfacing the pier and a bit of roadworks in South Street to make buses and taxis more accessible the council has left us alone to the forces of Adam Smith's invisible hand.
While Dovers been spaffing various 'funding streams' up against the wall Deal is proof that if you just leave people alone they are quite capable of providing goods and services to each other and most can enjoy quite a civilised and successful life.
God protect us from the plans of well meaning but totally misguided elected amateurs. Especially after Star Wars day!
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Button- Location: Dover
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Interestingly, Deal even has a fishmongers whereas Dover currently doesn't. Adam Smith would probably reason that the lack of one in Dover is either because not enough Dovorians use fish or because they get theirs on line.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes Captain is right.All the money being pumped into Dover and still not much to show for it.There was nothing wrong with the lovely flowers and fountain in Market Square.The planning department are lax when it comes to shop frontages.Pencester Gardens ruined .Better policing .needed.Deal and Sandwich just get on with life.
Why did they allow gymn equipment on Dover Seafront?.
