Keith Sansum1
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Jan
its not really about stirring
the geezer said he wanted to speak on behalf of the PRO lobby on the drilling
(they were looking for an expert, which he indicated he was)
in the latest post he said he didnt know!!!
and this is more than one line!!!!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
You need to keep looking for that expert to go to DDC
I do think if scrutiny is to work then both sides should be present at the meetings with all the facts.
I think if the pro lobby don't go, or they can't find anyone to go, it will be a lost opportunity.
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I think those who actually care about the science, and have not gone off on a hysterical rant, have found an unlikely ally in the Environment Agency.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Also though Peter, DDC Scrutiny is a good body to get people round the table and all the facts.
The pro lobby would do itself justice in getting someone there.
otherwise this scrutiny will be a one sided affair
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Jan #320
I posted a link to an article about new-build energy efficient houses under the Keeping Warm in Winter thread...
https://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/keeping-warm-in-winter
It seems to say that due to recent deregulation, doing this sort of thing has become less 'attractive'.
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Peter Garstin wrote:I think those who actually care about the science, and have not gone off on a hysterical rant, have found an unlikely ally in the Environment Agency.
Not an unlikely ally, it's their responsibility to check on such applications and they have all the required detail about the aquifer, as do Affinity Water, and both are looking at these applications in detail with the necessary technically and scientifically qualified personnel.
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DDC Scrutiny is an arse-covering committee.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wouldn't like to be on a scrutiny committee on this one there is no chance of pleasing everybody as we can see by the passionate views on this thread alone.
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# 327.....totally agree...and a waste of time.....DDC do not have a decision on this matter,
they are purely a conduit to KCC. they will report on their consultations with Parish Councils and others
then KCC go through the whole process again and they make the decision to Government who then say yay or nay..
We have registered our name to speak at the KCC Scrutiny and Council meetings.
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hi Keith, if there is anyone who wants to encourage COAG and could be considered pro drilling, then they should get their experts to the meeting.
I am not against drilling provided COAG can satisfy the EA about protection of the ground water.
I am against the anti-frackers for their misleading statements and assumptions, the total lack of balance in their arguments, the outright falsehoods and failure to listen to any balanced, reasonable argument or to look at other sites in the UK where CBM extraction is established without any of the outcomes that they spread fear about. The tripe on the Eythorne, Shepherdswell and EKAF sites is likely to attract a horde of ill informed militant protesters to our villages should drilling proceed to clog up our roads, disrupt legitimate businesses and work journeys, damaging our local economy whilst drilling continues - so protest and disruption to no good purpose.
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QE, Fracking - oil & gas, oil in general, and how we are all going to hell in a hand-cart...
http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-517-max-keiser-961/
From about 4 1/2 minutes in, till 12 minutes in, is about the economics of fracking, the impossible economics of fracking.
Fracking in the US is being financed through cheap money (debt) that will never be paid as the returns get fewer and fewer and harder and harder to realise.
The argument expanded upon seems to be that the oil&gas industries hold hands with the banks as the skip together down the primrose path.
If, they say, oil were to drop to $80/barrel fracking would be utterly uneconomic, oil
needs to be at least $90/b and preferably $100/b.
All in all, what is being done currently is running to stay in the same place. Using deflationary methods in the skewed hop of encouraging higher inflation.
The clip is about half an hour long, and is worth the half hour of your time.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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shows the fracking(not drilling i hasten to add) in a new light as all reports up until now have been extolling the virtues.
currently the united states owes much of its economic recovery to cheap energy using this method but if the information given in the video is correct it will be a short lived boom.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil hi there
which makes me continue to believe that those in the PRO camp should send someone along to the scrutiny.
Reg
I hear what you say ref the scrutiny but surely its one that can look at the matter and report there findings to the KCC scrutiny?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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what's needed is for the "willesden green nine" to turn up at scrutiny suitably t shirted and placarded.
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Most of what Max Keiser spouts is nonsense. I wouldn't trust him to tell me the right time. A self serving publicist who gets it wrong on most things and appeals to the disenchanted and disenfranchised of the world (or at least the internet and watchers of RT, or Pravda Television live.
As fot that report by the, ahem, The Global Sustainablity Network, well the clue is in the name. A front put up by the UN in order to achieve it's aims working alongside other groups like the IPPC and others we never really hear about.
It's just more propaganda. Don't believe it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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philip
its propaganda from both sides
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Brian Dixon
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josef gerbals was good at that,may be the torys ought to dig him out.
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All authorities are good at propaganda, not just the Nazis. Churchill was a master of propaganda, so much so that he is regarded as agreat man by some people.
Problem is that you can't get to the truth in these things for all the hysteria that goes along with it. If people were rational about it they might come to find out some real facts, but hey, why let the truth get in the way of a good protest ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes
even mt churchchill had issues
like you say it was a good story though
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Have you hit upon a new wonder fuel Philip:shot-messenger burning?
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