Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
maybe a flymow might be usefull here.
This is all a storm in a tea-cup methinks. Sue and Barry are aboslutely right as to how this sort of thing is vioewed by the electoral authorities, and are just trying to stop Vic from getting himself into hot water. That's what friends are for surely?
However, re-reading the original postings it is possible to see them as making a veiled threat rather than trying to be helpful.
We all know Barry and Sue well enough to be sure their motives have the best of intentions. It remains up to Vic to decide what he does, but I for one would also advise caution, and fas or the troublemakers out there, I mean nothing sinister by my words.
We've all enjoyed the banter on here in the run up to the big day, let's keep it friendly all the way please.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
that is the secon time today i have agreed tottaly with sid.
i think i must need a lie down.
Barry, I think you need to get a life mate. You remind me of someone who would report a motorist to the police due to the fact that their wheel was an inch over a double yellow line just because "it`s the law".
Your reaction to Vic`s completely genuine and friendly gesture of offering to buy someone a cup of tea and a slice of toast says it all really. Some bribe eh!
On the other hand, it`s quite ok apparently to provide services to a voter by way of a lift to the polling station because " they may then vote for the other party". Well, who`s not to say that after drinking Vic`s free tea they also go and vote for someone else. In fact they may have ALREADY voted before taking the dodgy cuppa!
Surely, in implying that anyone on the Forum could have their voting principals and personal integrity swayed by a cup of tea is rather insulting to the people concerned. Who knows, at the end of the day they could be UKIP supporters anyway.
You then go on to say that you would " personally prefer not to report Vic to the Returning Officer/Police via a formal complaint ". But you don`t actually say that you won`t! You also say that if Vic ignores your "advice" he may well " have to face legal consequences ". And this you say is meant to be
"helpful and friendly advice " More like petty and small minded.
It gets even better Barry, you then infer that Vic`s actions could be deemed as influencing the poll result. Well, I knew the result might be close in Dover but not for one minute did I ever consider that a couple of cups of tea would spell disaster for your bunch baring in mind how many thousands of pounds you`ve obviously thrown into Charlie`s campaign. Funny that, I always thought you were 100% confident of victory. Shame you hadn`t factored in Vic`s cunning tea plan!
In reply to Sue, I think I must be the chap that " was like talking to a brick wall ". Well, funnily enough I`d have said that was the other way round. In fact I don`t even recall you stopping for breath whilst giving us the benefit of your electoral wisdom, whether we wanted it or not.
In closing, yes, technically under the most strictest scrutiny Vic could be deemed to be in breach of some infringement but as none of you would stoop so low as to inform on him it doesn`t really matter does it?
No need for the personal attacks John, we're trying to keep it firendly, remember?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i think john made a very valid point sid, barry is clearly rattled by the possibility of ukip eating away enough of the blue vote to keep the reds in that any slip or technicality breach will be pounced on.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Give me strength.........................
We are talking about the law and it has a name, treating.... A candidate or agent cannot even legally buy a drink for supporters let alone anyone else.
Having been involved in almost every election since October 1974 I do know a bit more than most about what is and is not legal.
If it was Labour or the LibDems openly saying they were breaking the law on here I would most certainly report them but, quite frankly, it is not worth the trouble for also rans like UKIP. I cant speak for anyone else though, others may be less charitably inclined. The fact is if I wanted to get Vic into trouble I would not have warned him of the situation.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,023
Sorry the old computer keeps playing up
My posting again .Like Sid says let us keep it friendly .Barry knows all the rules and the advice was given with goodwil.
John Buckley that name rings a bell another party previously ??
At least I said who I was .MY dear man you have not met me when Im in full flow .That was a tame friendly conversation .
I recall your chum was much more friendly unlike you .
Some years ago I was in our committee rooms when our Loud hailer went past Vote for etc those were the days however the Labour Party were none to pleased and soon told us off in no uncertain terms .
See you tomorrow John .I shall be in blue .
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Thank you Sue and Barry, now that you have confirmed that Vic will not be picked up by the police, primarily because we are "also rans" and not really worth the trouble.
Sue, my "chum" only seemed more friendly because, like me, it was a job to get a word in edgeways. Remind me not to be around when your in "full flow" if that was only a mere sample!
Honestly, I am quite friendly, given the chance and no, I`ve only ever been with UKIP but you may have perhaps previously read some of our literature with my name on it?
Anyway, all good fun, see you tomorrow. I`ll be in purple and yellow ( or perhaps not! )
Oh go on John, we're going to need some laughs during what will be a very long day and night for most of us.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
John and the UKIP team will be there to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Colin if you read this please come to mandys in the morning,I would like to have a word with you about that event we are puting on later in the year thank you.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,023
So sorry to disappoint you John but I shall not be at the Town Hall .So you will not need ear plugs .I shall be tired after a twelve hour day .Home in front of TV with glass or two of wine and a cigarrete or two .
Just to keep of politics I have been busy tonight ringing relations who are invited to my sons wedding ,
Cornish relatives and Essex
Not Doverians Vic
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
glass of wine or two and a cigarette susan, a single mother like yourself should consider joining the reds.
they will ply you with benefits until kingdom come.
As a non political person still undecided where to vote one thing i can say Barry and Sue are enough to decide it wont be Blue!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
paul
good to see you post on general debates instead of just football.
i would be interested to know what irks you about the blues.
being fairly neutral nowadays it is very interesting to hear what "non poltical people" think.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Just like to say please if you can come today you will have to pay but only because I do do not have alot of cash but take it from me if I had what ever way you voted i would have paid the bill,do not stay away just because of what two members of the forum have put on this post. But again by doing what they done it has helped UKIP get afew more votes or stoped the blues geting them,just like last time ,by saying sell the the Great port of Dover it cost them 4500votes I am not saying this will cost them that amount but it can be seen in the same light. And a votefor"UKIP" TODAY is a vote to keep Britian Great. Thank You.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
This is a first me agreeing with Barry,when I lived in Sandwich we had to report a well known former American lady who stood at an election,and she sat in the chemist paying for peoples perscriptions.Then as people were going into the polling station we caught someone handing people a leaflet saying who to vote for ok these were local elections but any interfearance with voters is wrong,it goes back to the days of tied houses were the Lord told you how to vote if you wanted to keep your job.
On another subject you may have noticed or not but there are some people who have been campaigning on here that have probably broken the purder rules,that is why I have not been posting any thing political.You can get into trouble!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
This is a first me agreeing with Barry,when I lived in Sandwich we had to report a well known former American lady who stood at an election,and she sat in the chemist paying for peoples perscriptions.Then as people were going into the polling station we caught someone handing people a leaflet saying who to vote for ok these were local elections but any interfearance with voters is wrong,it goes back to the days of tied houses were the Lord told you how to vote if you wanted to keep your job.
On another subject you may have noticed or not but there are some people who have been campaigning on here that have probably broken the purder rules,that is why I have not been posting any thing political.You can get into trouble!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
