Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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20 December 2009
14:3635324So we`ll all have Cowell singers round the door this year.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
20 December 2009
16:4535329That, Colin, made me laugh out loud!!!
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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20 December 2009
20:3035344So tell me, how does American rubbish, Rage Against the Machine song called "KILLING IN THE NAME" save the British music culture. I might give you some credit if it was a good British artist with a good song, standing in its own right without a hate campaign.
Cowell and X Factor do not get the No 1 spot each year on their own Rick, they get there because people purchase the record. Over the years of X Factor like it or like it not some of these artists are now world known artists in their own right so how is that killing the British music culture. Leona Lewis and Alexandra Burke are two of those artists, like them or not that are hitting top spot and who are British.
I have no axe to grind as I have purchased none of the records over the years and I would not care if the reality shows stopped tomorrow. However I do think that there should not be a HATE campaign that stops any record getting to No 1, that in its self will do harm to the music industry. No 1 spot should be on the merit of the music and the general public's genuine desire to hear that music.
I just wonder if the same attitudes would be on here, if a member of this forum got on X Factor, did well, got through all the stages to the final and then won it. I just think there may be a few different threads then. Dover Forum singer wins X Factor, I can just imagine the write ups.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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20 December 2009
20:3735345There`s an opener for you there Vic if you can sing. `Hand me Down that Can of Beans`.
. I`ll vote for you.
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Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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20 December 2009
20:4535346Well the haters won, with their foul mouthed filthy devils song. I suppose it just about sums up our broken down sad society in this Country. Mind you as I see it they all purchased it to stop Cowell and kill a young mans dream so they can all now put their dirty little record in the draw or bin, until next year or did they all think Somon Cowell will just fade away.
Still they have saved the British music culture. NOT
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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20 December 2009
20:5135347Perhaps they haven't saved the British music culture in one blow, but if Rage being at #1 this Christmas has dealt the first blow in a rebirth of some credibility in the music industry, fair play to them. I have to say that I think the record is crap, but then so was Joe McTwaddle's, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Is it a rebirth, though? Somehow I doubt it - the MOR crowd will be back with a vengeance in 2010, you can bet your bottom dollar. Cowell and his motley band of culture assassins have too much invested in their machine to pull the plug just yet. What I want to know is where decent rock music has gone to........
True friends stab you in the front.
20 December 2009
21:2235351This is an ACE result. The whole point is not that Rage is a great song, it is all about the fact that the X-Factor is a CRAP song. Rage was probably just any random choice of song, it was all about stopping the X-Factor from winning yet again rather than voting on the merits of Rage. I can't stand Britney Spears but I would have gladly purchased her single if it helped stop the X-Factor. People only respond to the X-Factor songs so strongly because they have it stuffed in their faces so much. It may be good for TV but it is bad for music and VERY bad for artists outside of the Cowell empire.
Let's hope that this is the first year of the Xmas no.1 being returned to MUSICIANS and MUSIC LOVERS instead of one multi-millionaire and his philistine gameshow bol***ks.
DT1- Location: Dover
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20 December 2009
21:3135352The cynic in me says that Sony BMG win either way, as both Simon Cowell publishes his music through them, as do Rage Against the Machine. However it is quite pertinent that the song is about rebeling against the status quo (I don't mean the band Vic). And if people didn't where would we be then? We do need a shake-up and the public needs to be reminded the difference between music and lowest common denominator entertainment.
Rebirth, maybe not, however at least a moment of rethinking. As for the song, it's a great tune, I used to love Rage Against the Machine, and compared to the stuff churned out by Cowell and the X-factor, it's quite clever. I doubt many of the X-Factor contestants know what a time signature is let alone write around them.
"Devil's Music"? Most of the popular music (including that on the X-Factor) would owe it's roots to the Delta Blues. Robert Johnson (Eric Clapton's biggest influence) was a man obssessed with song's about his reputed 'soul-selling'. A womaniser, heavy drinker and poisoned by the age of 27 (that seems to be the age to die for great musicians), I think if the F-word had been in his vocabulary he would have most definitely used it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 December 2009
23:003535828 posts mostly saying how bad the programme is.
clearly our forumites must like it, seems like i have missed out again.
i also missed that come dancing rehash, much loved by our cultural attache susan.
Brian Dixon
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21 December 2009
06:3635373yeah love it NOT.the x-facter and such like should be bannished to some obscure satalite sation only to be broadcasted on mars all day saterdays.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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21 December 2009
08:2035378I would not care if it was banished or not, but millions must like the show, so they do not count then Brian. I am sure there are things you do like that millions do not so best they be banished as well.
Sorry but it gets to me when people be little what others enjoy, we live thankfully in a free society where we have choice. If you do not like it turn it off, if you think there is too much of it complain to the powers to be.
I just wonder how many of you that hate X-Factor and Britons got Talent have CD's at home of Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Susan Boyle and others who have won these shows. All of them now with their music world wide, all who have achieved their dream.
I know one thing I would rather have their music any day than that of the crap that is now No 1 and by golly that is crap and should be bannished but hey who am I to impose my views on others.
DT1- Location: Dover
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21 December 2009
09:3935384Yes we do have choice in this free society Harry, and people chose to buy Rage against the Machine.
21 December 2009
09:5835385Rick - for you (and for me and some others) the X Factor disc was a crap song, but for others it wasn't. There is such a wealth of diverse music out there it seems bitter and nasty to raise a storm just to stop one young man from reaching one of his goals. Getting a number one record these days isn't what it used to be - there was always the commercial stuff but there was a balance of enterprise with talent, music and sense - now it is all about shifting "product". But even so, that is not our world if we like real music, so let it be. I am not glad about this result, not that I give much of a flying frock anyway - but if I did, I would be sad that enough people cared enough about preventing something positive happening for someone to take part in a managed and constructed campaign based on hate and loathing. Get a Life and grow Up, are words that come to mind.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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21 December 2009
12:1035394"I just wonder how many of you that hate X-Factor and Britons got Talent have CD's at home of Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Susan Boyle and others who have won these shows. All of them now with their music world wide, all who have achieved their dream. "
Not me!
True friends stab you in the front.
21 December 2009
12:2035395Who gives one what other people have on their shelves - there is enough music for everyone to listen to what they like without being nasty and spiteful about other people tastes. I really don't like much of the mainstream stuff, but I like Leona Lewis voice as an entity; I loathe Gilbert and Sullivan to the point of being unable to have a meaningful relationship with someone who likes it, but I wouldn't want to spoil someone elses listening pleasure.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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21 December 2009
13:0035397Can`t comment on main post as I don`t watch it, though seen some via the family watching. However, as Bern mentions above, there`s enough music for all tastes about, and regarding Gilbert and Sullivan, (who I`ve never taken to and I do have some opera cd`s)I heard a quote some years ago that they were for people who couldn`t afford to go to the opera.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
21 December 2009
14:1035403No!!! Two different things, Colin. I enjoy a lot of opera but so dislike G&S!!! But that is only my taste and I am sure they have much to offer those who enjoy it. I just can't see it at any price!!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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21 December 2009
16:1635407Yes!!! I knew what you meant Bern, but perhaps I worded my post badly. Wasn`t referring you disliked opera, just not keen on G&S. Yes?
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21 December 2009
16:5935410Yes!!!!!!! And some!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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21 December 2009
18:4335417i have no faverite music,group,solo or otherwise.if i like a tune i buy it if i dont i wont buy it.yes there are some programs on tv i like watching and thers some i dont.in short if the tv programe makers made somthing worth watching then i would probably watch it.
here is one i thought up should be a riot to watch its called im a x-factor finalist get me out of here.
