Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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29 October 2008
12:528311I take your point Barry but the alcoholic content of a bottle of alcopops is less than half that of a glass of wine and 1%-2% less than a pint of premium real ale. The most innocent tasting drink is the cocktail, which a lot of these multiples are attempting to make. These can be very strong and yet taste nice and sweet.
The big chains will survive purely because of their aggressive selling. Look at the Eight Bells that use to have a price comparison board displaying their cheap booze prices as compared to poor old Freds down the street struggling to make a living.
I should be interested on your thoughts about the other points I raised.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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29 October 2008
14:538331Depends on the alcopop, some contain the equivelent of a double measure of spirits,
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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29 October 2008
16:278335The fact is Chris the alcoholic content of the most potent alcopop is no more than 7%. If you look on the label of WKD or Smirnoff Ice, the two most popular brands you will see that I am right. The cheap supermarket brands are little more than 4.5% - 5%. Well-known spirits are between 40% - 46% with the cheap supermarket brands averaging 35% - 37.5%.
Many young women now favour wine, that can wade in at anything between 14% - 17% and will get you drunk far quicker than a bottle of alcopops.
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29 October 2008
17:178340Its Simple I Earn my money I do whant I wont with it and when people start buying my fags, and petrol, and my road tax, then and only then will they tell me what to do with it. there is a lot of Information out there read it then make your choice.but dont let others tell you how to spend your cash.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 October 2008
17:368342I dont think anyone is suggesting that Alan. All we are doing is looking at ways to help struggling pubs without encouraging bad drinking habits, or indeed indulge a drug habit inflicting it on others.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 October 2008
17:398343Dave, I have have never looked at the alcohol content of these things but the real point is that when you drink a glass of wine, spirits or beer there is no mistaking the alcohol content. These alcopops disguise the alcohol content to make them easy to drink and therefore it is that much easier to lose track of how much you have indulged. They are a real trap for the unwary.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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30 October 2008
08:538357Are things much different between the young of today and them of the 50.s 60.s or is it as we get older we become more intolerant?
I can certainly remember seeing as a young boy the corner of Cherry Tree Avenue & London Road where the taxi office is, being like a battle field, there were troops from two regiments and local lads drunk and going at it like the Suez Crisis had already started in Dover. I was kept in the Working Men's club that night until early hours so things could settle down.
I can certainly remember in the 60's the fights outside the Town Hall after the Friday night dance there, yet if I remember correctly no alcohol was served inside. I also remember the regular weekend punch up's in the Market Square, between locals, the troops and the Dover College boys.
Have we forgotten the Teddy Boys and then there were the Mod's and the Rockers on Margate beach every bank holiday, drinking and destroying family fun.
I do not condone the binge drinking, the fights, the general noise and disrespect for others but what I am saying has life changed that much really or have we forgotten and grown up.
As for smoking in the pubs, I am a non smoker but I think (non Food) pubs should have had the choice to be smoking or non smoking.However if they chose to allow smoking they should have to display a sign out side saying so. Then the non smoker would make their choice enter or stay away.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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30 October 2008
17:338381I agree with most of your posting there Harry but for one thing. Back in the 60's you would creep into pubs while slightly underage partly in order to feel more grown-up. The pubs then were very much an adult environment, possibly helped by the two bar system (the public bar where you drank with your mates and the saloon where you took your dates). In those days you went in to feel older, now you go in, are greeted with blaring hip-hop, bright lights and shelves full of drinks designed to disguise the taste so much you don't know you are having a drink and you feel too old to be there. Perhaps if pubs had stayed as adult establishments instead of all joining the rush to become licensed restaurants more would still be viable.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
