28 October 2008
21:288215Marek and BarryW - I can only say
Brian Dixon
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28 October 2008
21:388217Ross Miller
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28 October 2008
22:218227Barry I could make the same argument for the impact that alcohol has - come stay on London Road on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday and see the effect that alcohol has in disrupting ordinary peoples lives as the ne'er do well numpties roll back from the pubs and clubs fighting, screaming abuse, leaving vomit and litter everywhere, using the bus shelter/side alleys as toilets etc. etc. This behaviour goes on from around 11 until 2-3 in the morning disturbing sleep etc. and leave a trail of damage etc. for the law abiding to clear up in the morning
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28 October 2008
23:488246Fair comment Ross but a single cigarette is unpleasant for non-smokers within 'breathing distance' but a single beer causes no-one any discomfort. The irresponsible abuse of alcohol by binge drinkers is another matter.
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29 October 2008
01:188250Leaving cigarettes completely out of the equation, given that it's almost £3 a pint in most locals around here it's hardly surprising pubs are closing. It's too flipping expensive for more than the odd occasion.
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29 October 2008
01:518251Barry I agree to an extent re the 1 beer / 1 cigarette
I can only speak for myself - I try to be reasonable & always have when it comes to smoking
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29 October 2008
07:358253I think Phil makes the telling comment there with regard to this latest Pub situation. The statement from the British Beer and Pub Association yesterday made no reference to smoking being the cause of the decline...as the decline is even hitting supermarket sales...but instead blamed the cost of the pint. Its too expensive. The BBPA essentially blamed taxes for the high cost.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
08:318264well in that case if all the pubs close then we cant be blamed for binge drinking anymore can we,that means the goverment has met its target.
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29 October 2008
08:478266Binge drinking is usually the result of youngsters buying cheap alcohol from the Supermarkets or Offie and consuming vast amounts at home with friends before parading downtown with their mates showing everyone how pissed they are and how grown up they think they are.
A nights boozing is followed by hurling abuse at poor passersby but if that fails by hurling abuse at each other.It results in them being turfed out onto the streets by the bouncers and as they attempt to apportion blame,usually on each other, the females decide to show the lads just how to fight by knocking 7 bells of *hit out of each other outside the 8 Bells.A total of 15 bells so far.
More Bells arrive in the form of the police sirens.The arrival of the police and an ambulance signals vasts amounts of time energy and money to be used to calm the situation down.End result a night in chokey for the most gobbiest individual followed by an £80 fine.
The offender then has the privilege of telling all his braindead mates how he sorted out the law.They wait for their dole cheque and repeat the exercise the following weekend.
If this is what the government wishes to stamp out then they have my full support.
Marek
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29 October 2008
08:478267Then they will get even more 'binged' on cheap supermarket beer..... no joy there Brian.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
08:558269if beer/sprits are are getting to dear in the pubs/clubs for wot ever reason surly if all pubs close the drinks industry will only put up prices to supermarkets and offies whitch will kill that trade eventully,what large or small indie chain would buy alcolhol that they cant get rid off dosent make sence to me.
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29 October 2008
09:138271As I have said Brian, a more discerning approach to alcohol duty is needed and that favour pubs and real ales in particular while hitting the price of the binge drinker tipples of choice, cheap lager, chemical beer and alcopops. A seperate additional levy perhaps being placed on the supermarket off-licence sales. You will alos in this way provide help to the struggling home-grown real ale industry.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
09:328288in that case even more pubs will close,with more drinking on street corners and other places.
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09:528294No Brian, do read what I said as my suggestion would be to do the opposite to what you suggest.
29 October 2008
10:418295There was a piece on B.B.C. local news on monday which stated that,due to the high price of beer, a lot of people have resorted to home brew kits.Good idea really, brew at home,drink at home,fall down at home you don,t upset anyone then.
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29 October 2008
10:488296yes its been around a few years never caught untill just reasontly, keeps people out of unsoicable pubs and at least you have a smoke indoors cant you.i am up for that.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
11:048298i susspose the moan will about the value of the five day and the values of a healthy diet etc etc,theres no pleasing any body these days is there.in fact all these lectures abuot smoking,drinking and so forth are depressing to say the least.
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29 October 2008
12:278304Barry why real ale is that your drink by any chance? Real ale is a living beer, there is a lot of waste, the cellar life is shorter than that of its chemical counterparts and regrettably it does not enjoy the mass appeal that it did in the past. When the first keg beer was produced, Watneys Red Barrel, sales of real ale plummetted and have never really recovered.
Marek mentions a number of bells and that is indeed the heart of the matter. Youngsters are enticed into these multiple chains by low prices are offered jugs of beer at ridiculous prices and then when it starts to go pear-shaped a bouncer chucks them on to the street. The clubs have 2 for 1 offers on mainly alcopops and cheap spirits virtuall inviting youngsters to drink as much as they can, couple this up with a little pill, freely available in places which are heaving and you have a recipe for anti-social behaviour and petty violence.
Barry you and I are old fogies and cannot understand the minds of modern youth, your recipe is taxation it won't make a shred of difference only penalise the people that do act responsibly. One of the solutions might be for the police to mount an operation where they concentrate on the large venues. Going into the places see who is drunk, see who is underage, most of them know what time the bouncers arrive so slip in beforehand, generally tighten up the licensing act, put the useless PCSO's to work in the town on a Saturday night to report any potential problems, the root of the problem is not going to be solved by yet more ridiculous taxation.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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29 October 2008
12:328305nicly put dave.
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12:368308I am indeed a real ale drinker dave. What I suggest has a few advantages, as you say real ale is not a bingers drink and is enjoyed by we old fogies with a more mature palate. Youngsters prefer volume over quality so lets up the cost of their cheap booze and in particular target those dreadful alopops disguised as soft drinks. have you tried one of those? They are awful and very dangerous as you just dont feel that you are having alcohol and it encourages excess.
The real advantage of what I say is that it will help small British brewers and smaller 'locals' rather than the 'pile em high, sell it cheap' chains... the big chains will generally survive the recession after all, those in greatest danger are the smaller pubs that are typically under capitalised - they need help most.
