Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I read in todays Dover Express that our very own and well liked and respected big DavidH has been warned off by the Tories in putting forward an Indie candidate for the vacant council seat at St Radigund's.
The paper states inter alia ''.....someone is going to have to talk sense into DavidH..''it's our seat and we want to win it..''the Tory insider continues.
Well heres some very sound and free advice to the Tory Camp..have sex and travel.
DavidH I only hope an Indie candidate stands and may the best candidate win.
The bloody cheek of the Tories is unbelievable..I finish with a grand old Tory jesture..good old Winston.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Well said. The best way forward - in fact the only way forward - for Dover and district is via the voice of the independents.
The point-scoring, little Westminster, blinkered mentality of the toy politicos playing party politics at the Whitfield Kremlin is one of the main reasons the town is in such a sorry mess.
Stay indie, people, and let your voices be heard!
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Let us hope that Big Dave ignores the Tories and stands for the seat as an Independent, and I wish him all the best. Bleeding Cheek!!!!! as you say Marek, use the old Winstonian gesture.
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ive not seen the article myself but as a voter of st radigunds ward, David send the best you can a fresh non party voice is needed badly.
beer the food of the gods
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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My own views about political Parties at Town Council level are known, Party politics have only got relevance at District level and upwards.
I dont know who made that idiotic comment from our side but I have my suspicions. We would not have had such a problem in my day, cutting your own throat comes to mind.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry to tell you all this but David H,and his group are not Inderpendent but A party just like the rest they call them selfs Inderpendent and that is all if I stand then it will be as a true Inderpendent, you can take it from me at this very time I AM LOOKING into their name with the D.D.C.
Even David told me himself they had pick the person THEY WISH TO STAND I say to you all is that Inderpendent he went on to tell me All they are trying to do is get rid of the reds on the town council, he never said at anytime at that meeting what his group would do if they had the most seats for our town.
But if I DO STAND and you do not vote of me thats O.K. but then please vote again please vote for the reds they have done some good work over the years, sometimes it has not turned out right but they are still trying I do not mine if the blues stand but as I HAVE ALWAYS SAID in local seats vote for the person not the party look at the person standing look into their back ground have they ever done anything for the town before and will they if they get in. please to not vote just because what party they are in or not, Again the Person not the party.
Vic Matcham
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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st rads does seem to be the graveyard of politicos.
the present incumbent moved out to maidstone, then heir apparent, our victor, announced that he would stand, then a week or so later, anounced his retirement from public life.
the normally rational gold tops, suddenly changed parties on a monthly basis!!!
what is it about the delightful village of st radigunds that has the same effect as the tomb of a pharaoh?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I might stand yet do not write me off just keep things on the boil that what I AM GOOD AT.
vIC m
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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The Dover Alliance is a party made up of independents that consider the town their first priority. We took a party name to avoid the confusion of party members standing as independents in order to split the vote. We do not have a party whip and we do our debating, proposing and voting in council, in public, rather than at party meetings. And Vic, does this mean that you have resigned from the Conservative party?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not have to stand for any party in or out of it,
No law to say that if I am in a party that I have to stand for them if I wish to stand for the D.T.C. as a true Inderpendent then I can.
Vic M
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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victor.
is there a political party that you have not belonged to?
what does lesley say about these regular mind changes?
you must admit that she puts up with a lot.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Of course Barry doesn't believe in Party politics in Dover Town Council elections ,of course in Deal there are Torys on thier Council and apparently 2 on Dover Town Council Roger and Jenny although she was an indie until the last District Council.
Howard I am not sure why everyone keeps changing colours,unlike me 36 years ago I stood for Labour in Sandwich,still here same colour,same beliefs,but you didn't hear the Labour Party saying we didn't believe in politics at Town Council level just because we weren't getting elected.
So the Indies are a Party or they are not and thier only policy is to get rid of the Reds,well Vic will tell you when I asked him to be my Vice Chairman on TOURISM Twinning and Civic Function we never had any problem working together,in fact when I resigned Vic wrote me a letter thanking me for my time and effort.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Independence should be cherished!!! And there is strength in numbers. These are not mutually exclusive concepts and groups of independent politicians who nevertheless do not make up a uniform party is a really modern, fresh approach. hurrah!!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I cant answer for Deal John, and not even Dover these days. The Deal situation was historical, inherited by myself when I became chairman and in Dover Town we did not put candidates up for DTC at all during my chairmanship. This sorry situation has only occured after I finished my stint.
Incidentally, there is only one Tory on DTC as far as I know as I am not aware of a certain person changing her status on DTC. Interestingly a member of a political party can stand as an independent and be an independant. They are only Conservative candidates, for instance, if they are selected, endorsed and supported by the Conservative Party for the election. Also, as Councillors, someone changing Party staus or allegiance, would need to seek Party approval to be officially Conservative councillors (in Parliament this would be called applying for the whip).
The alternative could be chaos, someone could join the party, then stand and call themselves Conservative without any official approval at all and indeed might not even share Conservative values or support the policies. So it is an important distinction.
The Independents will fight to keep the seat vacated by our last candidate and we will field a good candidate who will vote as he wishes. The alleged comments in Dubris do not phase me as I know that that the crass remarks about myself would not be made by anyone with any political credibility!!
Vic had a private conversation with me and I will not repeat the rubbish he quoted as you can guess some of it.
It is a stated aim of the Dover Independents that we wish to see an end to the party politics on Dover Town. It is politics that has been the reason why Dover hasn't progressed. If the Tories ( who had no interest in the Town seats ) now wish to make a political point they will only serve to split a vote and give the seat to the labour party and there are enough of them on the Council. It is that political point scoring that we wish to get rid of so that councillors can concentrate on the real issues.
We will stand as it was our seat to defend.
D
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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DavidH
Well argued sir.
I would love you to repeat your conversation with bristols old Vic..only because it would be highly amusing and secondly I am worse than Norman Evans for a good bit of gossip over the garden wall.
Younger forumites may have to research what Norman Evans was famous for.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Heres a youtube link to Norman Evans doing his famous monologue ''Over the Garden Wall''
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Enjoy
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Lovely - thank you!!!!!!!
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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So it doesn't matter David if the Labour group put up a good Candidate who would do a good job,you just want them wiped off because they are Labour Or even Tories.So does that mean you will be putting up someone who will not follow the Indies whip,or in other words do as you tell them too,because I have heard at your group meeting when you decide something you all vote en mass,as I recall when I was with the Town Council every time the Labour group came up with something you all voted against it,there didn't seem to be anyone making up there own minds,it was Labour voting for,Indies voting against,all right there were things we all agreed on,but in general terms if one Indy's hand went up they all followed.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
