howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 September 2009
19:4229015i can understand the mid town development relying on the new hospital, but how does the does the dtiz scheme fit in.?
is that dependent on the mid town development going ahead?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 September 2009
07:4129035The survery Brian was to see what can be done to alleviate the problem, to engineer out the potential flooding.
No one knows how big a problem it is until the survey has been completed and then the engineers tell you what to do and how much it will cost - if it is prohibitive, nothing will be done, if it isn't, then all speed ahead.
The DTIZ is not dependant on the mid-town developmennt Howard, just on resolving the landownership issues, mainly around the Burlington House omplex and the County Hotel; which I understand have now gone to CPO (unncessarily in my view, if the relevant landowner(s) had been even only half reasonable).
Roger
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17 September 2009
15:0429055I believe the Maison Dieu site is the best option based purely on it's accessability for all and I agree that the corner nearest to the footbridge can be prone to a little flooding, but I am assured that the Riverside Centre has never been innaccesible due to flooding in all the years its been there; because it was built above the highest known level of flooding on a concrete raft. As the meerkat says''simples''.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 September 2009
16:5929057thanks for info roger.
two questions.
1) there were rumours that contracts for mobile phone masts on burlington house were die to run for another 5 years.?
2) how long is it that cpo's take from applying for them to actually demolishing buildings?
Brian Dixon
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17 September 2009
17:0229060in dovers case 6 years.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 September 2009
06:5529106Where do you get your ideas from Brian ?
Howard, When the landownership issues have been been resolved (hopefully not too long, but I am not a Cabinet Member, nor do I make the big decisions), phase one will be the corner of TownWall Street and Woolcomber Street where the Hotel and Tower will be erected; the telecommunications masts will be put on top and so BH can be demolished.
CPOs can be fast-tracked I understand, so once issued,(whenever that was) it shouldn't take too long, maybe a year at the most, but please don't take my word, I'm only saying what I know, but other more qualified people will have more knowldge; if we (Councillors) are advised, then I will let you know further details.
I understand that land-ownwership problems have been the curse of this development and delayed it so long.
Roger
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18 September 2009
10:4129125Land ownership was always known to be a serious problem even back in 1984 when DDC decided to start a process of aligning leases/sub-leases and acquisitions towards a development. Lets hope these final matters can be sorted soon.
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18 September 2009
18:1729139Just an update on DTIZ.
The planning consent has now been issued. Whilst plannning permission was given some time ago by DDC , the developers etc. have legal conditions to comply with and financial sums, in this case ASDA,deposited before the consent is issued. These matters are now settled. Indeed no CPO processes can commence,if necessary, before the consents are in place.
Despite slow progress , progress it is. There are no other developments of this type moving in the South East and one in Wisbech has just "gone to the wall".
Watty
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18 September 2009
18:4129144Thanks for that update Paul.
Roger
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 November 2009
13:3233540I think what the unfortunately people up north are experiencing today is a proper flood, nothing like the getting your shoes wet Dover gets....
Been nice knowing you :)
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21 November 2009
08:5233580QUOTE: I believe the Maison Dieu site is the best option based purely on it's accessability for all and I agree that the corner nearest to the footbridge can be prone to a little flooding, but I am assured that the Riverside Centre has never been innaccesible due to flooding in all the years its been there; because it was built above the highest known level of flooding on a concrete raft. As the meerkat says''simples''. UNQUOTE
I think the Environment Agency has to play it safe. Everybody everywhere is carrying on building on flood plains and the EA would be failing in their duty if they did not point out that this is not a good idea, particularly since we are assured by all and sundry that flooding is going to be much more common in years to come if the global warming scenario is to be believed.
Vic is usually right on these matters, speaking from the voice of experience in matters pertaining to building. I suspect that he is correct in saying that an enormous amount of underpinning would be required and would be prohibitively expensive. The concrete raft mentioned above would need an extra deck to meet tomorrow's predictions. Perhaps we should ask advice from the meerkat who says "simples".
QUOTE: Howard, When the landownership issues have been been resolved (hopefully not too long, but I am not a Cabinet Member, nor do I make the big decisions), phase one will be the corner of TownWall Street and Woolcomber Street where the Hotel and Tower will be erected; the telecommunications masts will be put on top and so BH can be demolished. UNQUOTE
There has been much talk of the mobile phone masts on top of Burlington House but I have always felt this problem to be greatly exaggerated. To my eyes, there is a very thin sprinkling of masts up there. I have no knowledge of what service contracts have been entered into but, technically speaking, I am quite sure that the mobile phone companies could transfer the masts in a jiffy. They have erected thousands of masts all over the country and these would present not the slightest problem.
If it were desired to demolish Burlington House tomorrow, then all that would be necessary would be to erect a temporary lattice tower where the future position at the junction of Woolcomber and Townwall is to be and to run feeds to that. I imagine that coax or fibre optic cables run under the pavement to Burlington House and then up to transceiver cabinets near the base of the aerials. Extend these round to the temporary tower or mount microwave dishes on the tower to relay the signals from existing landlines at Guston or elsewhere. Or transfer them permanently to the Gateway flats with the permission of the residents and a useful annual fee. Contrary to popular belief, there are no signals radiated directly down so the Gateway residents would have no need to fear irradiation. All in a day's work for a mobile phone company. As the meerkat says "simples".
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21 November 2009
09:5333583Good post Ed. Its true people are ignoring flood plains all over but I suppose in some ways you cant blame them. Here in Dover we have a ridiculous situation where a built up town wants a hospital within the already built up area, and we suddenly have the floodplain agenda dropped into the middle of progress. Heavens if its alright for Morrisons and Asda to build on this floodplain why not a hospital. As its a small hospital of the cottage variety I cant envisage a floor area larger than the proposed Asda. So I just dont get it.
Yes even if we acknowledge that it is a floodplain, it could be possible to have a building designed for purpose with elevations to its base to raise it above any potential flood issue, in other words ...put it on stilts! There are imaginative architects out there who would relish the challenge.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 November 2009
12:1933593the main protagonists on the hospital issue have gone rather quiet.
i hope that it is because negotiations are going on, because time is rapidly running out and then the money is given to some area other than us that is more appreciative.
21 November 2009
16:3033604Time to prod the beasts again?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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21 November 2009
20:4133612AT THE BOARD MEETING THURSDAY THE TRUST RULED OUT MID TOWN SITE AND NOW ARE GOING FOR JUST 2 OPTIONS
1; BUCKLAND HOSPITAL
2; WHITFIELD
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 November 2009
20:4433614Why noy used the DTIZ site as it now looks that bugger all else will ever be built there.
Marek
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22 November 2009
01:1033650It is, as has been pointed out, astonishing that other projects can be mooted for apparent flood-risk areas but the hospital cannot. What agenda is hiding here?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 November 2009
09:0433656Judging by this flood-risk area and the flood-plain beneath our houses, businesses, roads etc. it's a wonder Dover exists at all - but it does and has done for thousands of years.
If we are to be able to forward, we must, simply MUST, find a way to resolve these flood issues.
If it isn't the hospital, it'll be everything from now on stopping; no new redevelopment of the mid-town area of Dover, in fact any part of Dover.
Won't this have a negative effect on domestic and commercial property values as well ? Dover can't sit still while all around us are moving forward.
Roger
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22 November 2009
10:5033665Does anyone know why Westmount House/college has never been mooted as an option. Is it still a publicly owned site and are there any firm plans for it? It looks decidedly neglected and forgotten each and every time I pass it. Or is it like so many things in Dover, yesterdays 'cause celebre'.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 November 2009
10:5933666i think that westmount is owned by KCC, they keep stating that they are being converted into flats, no sign of anything though.
just another part of the dereliction in that area, nobody takes any notice anymore.