New Cafe - Folkestone Road
- Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
15 April 2010 17:2247519alec,i must have poped in on a quite night.
- 16 April 2010 06:4847563If they offer good service and sell good quality food etc. word will soon get round and they'll do well.
It's good to see that closed pub open, hope they do well.
Roger - 16 April 2010 17:1847603Went in the above on my way to the station this morning. Very clean and tidy looking, (though it is new). Staff very pleasant and hospitable. Not keen on the tea, as it needed the tea bag in longer, the bacon roll was excellent and highly recommended. The BIG downside of it was the TV on the wall blasting away with the usual waffle, so didn`t stay for another cuppa.Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
- Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
16 April 2010 17:3447607colin.did you notice the price of the brakfast/s while you where there. - 16 April 2010 18:3447616Just the bacon roll and tea which came to £2.98 Brian, which I thought was good for the bacon roll alone.Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
- Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
16 April 2010 19:5547621colin - 22 May 2010 19:5252978I found this cafe shut today, and I was informed it had been shut all week. Has it folded up already?Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
- 22 May 2010 19:5452979COLIN
It's not been open for some time
ROGER
Some one told me it hasn't got planning permission is that correct? - 22 May 2010 19:5752981Interesting that Keith, do they get fined for trading without planning permission?Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
- 22 May 2010 21:0652989COLIN
Now im not saying its correct, but it is what iv heard, but hopefully ROGER can clarify.
In reply Colin, you would think a fine or whatever would be the order of the day, and although some have had to rip down buildings built(a place in Lydden comes to mind)
All to often the applicant(cafe) can just put in retrospective planning permission and then just carry on.
Seems a crazy way to me but there you go. - 22 May 2010 23:0353006my understanding is that they do not have permission to open.
my eyes tell me that it has been closed for at least a week. - 22 May 2010 23:4053007I hope they aren't waiting for DDC Planning Dept to swing into action! They could be much older before they get what they seek.
- 23 May 2010 07:3953016I will wait for Roger or another cllr to reply with the info required
- 23 May 2010 11:0453035I saw a planning application for it some time ago, but don't recall it coming in from of the planning committee, but it could have been decided under delegated powers - meaning the planning officers could have passed (or refused) it.
I'll try and find out tomorrow (Monday).
Roger - 23 May 2010 20:4253080Thanks ROGER
- 23 May 2010 21:4953093The planning officers of the D.D.C. should not have the powers to pass or refuse any planning it is down to the cllrs to do that,As I have said over the years the D,D,C. planning dept should go they have done more damge to Dover then the war in 1938-1945 get rid of them now.
- 23 May 2010 22:1653095with you there victor!!
it must be down to our elected coves to decide on such things. - 23 May 2010 23:4653097Vic - how can you slag individuals in DDC now when there is not going to be people there that were there in the 1960s/70s when bad decisions were being made in the town ?
Planning application Application No: DOV/09/00712 for:
"Change of use and conversion of part ground floor to hot food take away (Use class A5), 1st and 2nd floors to staff accommodation and 3rd floor to self contained flat; erection of 3rd floor rear extension and pitched roof extension and insertion of a glazed roof "
Was apparently refused on the grounds
The proposal would introduce additional hazards to traffic, due to the likelihood of vehicles stopping in the vicinity of the site and the increase of pedestrian movement across Folkestone Road. The proposal would thereby be contrary to Dover District Local Plan Policies TR1 and TR2.
The details of the method and design of extraction and dispersal of cooking fumes from the proposed take-away are not sufficient to enable a full assessment of the adequacy or visual impact of the extract system to be made. The system may give rise to noise and odours, which would have a detrimental impact on the amenity of the occupants of nearby residential properties. The proposal would thereby be contrary to South East Plan Policy NRM9 and NRM10, Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1, PPS23: Planning and Pollution Control and PPG24: Planning and Noise.
The unrestricted hours of operation for the proposed take-away use would potentially create an undesirable level of night-time activity, causing a level of noise and disturbance to neighbouring residential occupiers, which would be detrimental to the quality of their living environment. Accordingly, the proposal is contrary to South East Plan Policy NRM10, Dover District Local Plan Policy DD1 and PPG24: Planning and Noise.
http://www.secure.dover.gov.uk/planning_online/acollate_docs/88216_1.pdf
I was of the opinion that planning could be refused on planning grounds on the various criteria, before it would get to committees??Been nice knowing you :) - 24 May 2010 06:2153105Thanks Paul.
The period it was open (illegally) showed that none of those issues actually arose:
1) Parking (parked cars) was never a problem (that I noticed - any time of day).
2) It shouldn't be up to the business to enforce any parking problems anyway, so parking should not have been an issue.
3) Smells wasn't a problem either, so the extractor fan must have done its job O.K.
4) Pedestrian traffic wasn't increased significantly either, so that wasn't a (real) problem.
5) I didn't even notice the siting of the extractor fan, so the visual side could not have been an issue either.
6) I can't remember the hours of operation, but they usually do have a restriction and as it is residential around there, it wouldn't have been too late (probably 11.30)
Applicants can be advised that their application won't be passed if it is obvious that it just isn't right or doesn't comply.
The Planning Committee only get to see a small minority of applications, the rest are decided under delegated powers - if there is no objections, no complications or no contentious issues.
Vic - There would need to be planning committees sitting every day if we saw all of the applications.
Roger - 24 May 2010 09:5753112went past this morning, still closed.