howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
did anyone see the photo in the dover express of our new man of the people celebrating his electoral triumph?
nigel stood next to him and in the background i spotted the aycliffe wonder, none other than stew(climate scourge) dimmock.
do i win a prize?
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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#2
I didnt get past the first page Howard!!!!!!!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#3
Why was that John ,only joking .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
john, you can be so like narcissus at times.
Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
- Posts: 521
#5
I did my best to hide at the back
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
nice try stew.
you will find we follow you everywhere.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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#7
I think its fair to say everyone knows my politics, and I don't need to change parties just to be on the present winning side!!
nor do i need to hide that im in a party
Recently saw our man in a car with other conservatives and he bowed his head as though in shame.
it doesnt matter to me whos in what party, or how many times they switch parties
me I will always be there in the same party, loyalty counts for something
#8
If "our man" was ina car with folks from another party, then assuming it was election or political business, he is no longer "our man", so why use that phrase?
If "our man" was in a car with folks from another party, going to a social event or other some such thing, then he could still be "our man", so why raise it?
If postings on this forum are anything to go buy, it appears the senior members of the Labour Party and Unite have accepted defeat, moved on and changed their language whereas their members/supporters haven't. That is a dangerous situation, a clear disconnect between party and fans. As John Hutton and others have said this week, Labour needs to sort itself out and find out how it is going to work in opposition before it does anything else, apart from electing a new leader of course. Appears to be a bit of disarray and a disconnect.
Therefore, sniping at "our man" with such language is, in my opinion, unhelpful and unwarranted.
There is something to be said for gettting ones own house in order before attacking the neighbours.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#9
i think that keith has a valid point there, i can never fathom out why people go from one extreme to the other.
our ken has, he gave a reasonable explanation for his actions, but he must expect dissapproval from former colleagues.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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#10
Of course I should expect dissapproval from former colleages for my actions, but even whilst a member of their party they dissapproved of me.
When I had been a District Councillor for only a few weeks, I had strongly supported Councillor George Allts' campaign to ensure Aldis came to Dover. My reason being that the store was accessable on foot by the residents of St Radigunds,thereby saving them taxi fare equvalent to a days food. When we were successful,despite Labour opposition, many of them Cooperative sponsored Labour councillors, I was told by the local Labour Party secretary'that my actions would always be detrimental to my future political career or words to that effect. Hey ho.
I have absolutely no regrets in becoming a member of the Conservative Party and I was overjoyed at the political demise of Mr Prosser as I will be at his parties lack of success in next years local elections.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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#11
SID
Firstly could I say I recognised over a year ago what was going to happen ref H.O.C. if you recall at the time on here people like Barryw told me I was wrong but never the less I stuck by this.
I actually thought the Tories would(and should have) won the election outright by a large number, instead they had to bow down to the 3rd party in the election.e
So yes, for some time I'v been aware Labour is in need of re grouping, and they have a great opportunity now to do just that.
This so called co olition cant last with so many diffrences, and i do think both the tories and lib dem will live to regret there little pact.
Im pleased labour didnt go for the PACT as it would not have worked to many complications with it.
To be fair labour had been there 13 years and the usual anti govt vote took place.
KEN
You will this as no surprize that I disagree with your view.
I don't recall the debate ref Aldi's but as a group that was the labour decision, an believe me theres been times iv sat at meetings of-the labour group and been out voted, but thats democracy, i accept i signed up to support that group as we all did(including you ken)
I'v always supported the viiew if you campaign enough and put up a strong argument you will win through, I also believe in sticking in there and fighting from within.
You have told many times of your SOCIALIST background, which doesn' add up when you campaign for a conservative MP and become a tory member.
I do understand that the labour party REJECTED your application to rejoin the party and so you are probably bitter, and realy had no alternative if you wanted tor remain in politics but to join the conservativesor another party.
A true socialist wouldn't even think of joining such a party as the conservatives, but hey, everyone has the freedom of choice.
With regard to local elections, like across the country I think you will see Labour becoming strong on local council elections, just like general election day.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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#12
Keith, a socialist with a small 's' as posted by you would indeed vote Conservative as they are the party that caters for all levels of society whereas the social engineering policies of my former party mean that those dedicated to earning their living find themselves burdened with the immense debts incurred in funding those who have been bribed by generous walfare and other benefits to patronise the Labour Party.
The Labour movement was formed to protect and enhance the working man and his family, not burden them with debts incurred supporting an onorous and over generous in its application welfare system. A welfare system that was intended to be an insurance against hardship not a permanent entitlement as perceived by some. These are views I have always held not some newly aquired mantra.
#13
Good debate this, thanks Keith/Ken.
One question for now if you don't mind: what is a "true socialist" please?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
between posts 9 and 10 i actually met ken in town by chance.
we had a very interesting chat considering my opening line was "hello ken, just been slagging you off on the forum".
ken described in detail his reasons for defecting to the other side, i found it all very intriguing.
obviously it was a private conversation so i can say no more on here, maybe ken would like to start a thread on here on the subject?
also saw andy sprinting to the bank, breathlessly he said that he had a cheque to pay in.
#15
Howard, have you spelt cheque correctly. Haven't we had an invasion of Czechs? Check?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#16
looks like ken got in first here, renders my post 14 useless.
alex will pick up on your comments sid, lets the poles off though.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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#17
There are 2 points I failed to respond to in Keith's posting which I will rectify now. Firstly Keith once again makes the assertion that I had attempted to rejoin the Labour Party and been refused, depite my request to prove this he has failed to do so.If any bitterness were to exist, which it doesn't, it should be towards Keith for his failure to correct the belief that I was leaking information to the Dover Express when both he and I both knew that it was a Labour Party hating lodger of a Labour councillor photocopying her copious notes and delivering them to said paper. This situation was to cause the rift between myself and Mr Prosser which I would never wish to be resolved.
Second point. That democratic decisions made by the Labour Party should always be adhered to. How does he justify his total opposition to Unitary Authorities on the grounds it removes decision making away from localities when in the Laour Parties local government Reorganisation of 1974 abolished the then Town Councils of Dover,Deal and Sandwich to form DDC and of course aboloshing Rutland and Westmorland as Counties depite massive public opposition. Keith has also given his son the distinct advantage of attendind Dover Grammar school despite it being Labour policy to abolish these excellent seats of learning.
Keith to my mind is persuing a course of 'pick and mix' politics that only he can enjoy the personal benefits of..
#18
I think this calls for a Harry Hill moment ............................................ FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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#19
Sid, love your comment. In fairness to Keith I must give him chance to respond.
#20
Ladies PLEASE enough bickering , you both are grown men and allowed to have your own opinions and beliefs. Sid that would be funny
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