Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Diana, in fact well done! We of England do in fact descend from the Britons and the Anglo-Saxons, and of-course with some contribution from Romans and Normans, and some individual groups that emigrated over the centuries to join up.
The reason why we also descend from the Britons is that the Anglo-Saxons couldn't learn, no matter how they might have tried, Celtic, which the Britons spoke. So, those Britons who didn't move to Wales, southern Scotland, Cornwall, Ireland and Britany, but remained, eventually, within a number of generations, learnt to speak Anglo-Saxon, or olde English.
This is no myth! The Franks, a part of the Visigoths and the Burgunds who moved to Gaul in the fifth century, (and later the Normans in Normandy) although controlling the military and running their respective States, all, within generations, started speaking neo-latin French, which is what the local Gauls spoke (who had given up Celtic for Latin during the Roman Empire), meaning that the Gauls had remained the majority of the population in what later became France. Likewise, the Longobards in northern, and to an extent central, Italy, although being in command of the State which they governed, all eventually spoke Italian and became Italians, as the Italic (Italian) population speaking neo-latin Italian had remained the majority. Likewise the Visigoths in Spain eventually spoke neo-latin Spanish, as the Spaniards had remained the majority.
Again, the Vandals in North Africa blended their culture with the Carthagians, and didn't expel them.
So, as the Britons had never given up Celtic for Latin, when the Anglo-Saxons came, there was no reason why they should have sent every Briton away, many of whom did remain, only, they couldn't adapt to the Celtic language, so the Britons remaining adapted to the Anglo-Saxon!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think i should spend more time reading up on history.
i have to admit that until alexander joined, i never knew that visigoths, burgunds and longoboards existed.
And don't you feel more enriched now, Howard...?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Just out of curiosity, if this were all taught in school years ago, would it have come under History or Religious education? Either way, some interesting stuff.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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funnily enough, i do bern, alexander does put the cat among the pigeons,enough to get clever clogs like phil and scotchie posting on his other thread.
when i was at school, history was so boring, just a succession of facts.
colin
either way, most of us would not have listened, only as we get older, do we question what was previously established truth.
I thought the Vandals followed Gladiatorial competitions around Europe, and when their favourites got topped, they wrecked the ampitheatre and surrounding wattle and daub buildings. Aparently it got so bad that the Pope had to move from Rome to Avignon (he couldn't grasp Latin and thought he'd try French instead), but to his dismay, the Gauls had all left and gone to Iberia. This was because the Visitor Goths had decided to stay and cash in on housing benefits, child allowance etc. Damn foreigners.
Luckily the Britons had chickened out of a face off with the Jutes (Jewish relatives of the native American Utes) and transported themselves to Wales and Brittany, where they took up fishing and learning French. They were therefore able to send the Pope fresh fish for his supper, and that was a good thing (ack. 1066 etc).
Meanwhile, Augustine had landed in Kent via the Calais Dover stone age ferry boat and brought with him some new candles for the two light towers at the Dover harbour entrance. Unfortunately, his boat came ashore at Walmer beach and, not buying a pay and display ticket, the vessel was clamped before being towed away by DDC.
About the same time, the Irish trouble reared up and Paddy Saint decided to abscond to the land of Albion (probably bcause he'd heard of their promotion to the Premeirship), where he was initially mistaken for Augustine. As Paddy hadn't remembered to bring candles, only potatoes, he decided to change his name to Saint Patrick and set about introducing French Fries to the nation (he'd also been to Gaul but thought Gaul Fries sounded a bit off).
Coincidentally, up on the north east coast were some monks who were keen to make contact with the Jutes down south. They sent the local beedle to Kent to meet with the Jutish leader, St Michael, and invited him to open a shop specialising in selling beige clothes to old people. This was the moment when resistance to St Michael in Europe flared up, not helped by the Goths stealing the garibaldi biscuits from Florence. Dougal was particularly incensed. Blaming this incident on the Jutish Saint, all the aliens living in Italy rose up and formed the United Coloureds of BennyTown.
Blimey, I'm glad I paid attention at school.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i do wish i had paid attention like you sid.
highly amusing post.
Sid: like it
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Many thanks for the compliments! Actually, the area in northern Italy called: Lombardia, of which Milan is the capital, comes from the name of the Longobards, who settled also in that area, arriving in Italy from the other side of the Alps in the sixth century.
Burgundy in central France derives its name from the Burgunds, who settled there around the fifth century AD after crossing the Rhine.
France receives the name from the Francs.
Dover's name comes from the Dovorians, a group of Britons who introduced cider to the Roman Army.
The Penines receive their name from the Appenini in Italy, a stretch of mountains going from north to south; the area in England reminded the Roman legionaires of their own country.
'I object to your post: we Dovorians are not necessarily white anglo saxons. I prefer to think of us as at least half Roman!!'
From my last look at the Folkestone Road surely you meant half Romanian??
Bob, come on now, we all know Romanians are Romans who got lost when they took a wrong turn on their way to bringing Christianity to Kent. We should be grateful that their forefathers built a couple of lighthouses so they could find their way to the Folkestone Road and deliver our salvation. That is how the Salvation Army was formed of course. It's full of JF's who should be repatriated if only because they insist on keeping brass bands alive. I hate brass bands, so I guess that makes me racist?
I well remember a complaint from a mother at a school at which I taught, that I had made the other children in his class to think that he was a gypsy.
I explained that I had merely been teaching about circles.
Was it my fault that when I asked the class to hold up their scientific calculators and point to the 'pi key' they had pointed at her son???
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`Innumerarable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve about these suns...Living humans inhabit these worlds` From the 16th century monk Giordano Bruno, shortly before he was burned at the stake in 1600 by the inquisition. Any date yet for the pope coming? Ask him why his former cronies committed such acts as the above, and locking up Galileo for the rest of his life for what turned out to be the truth 400 years ago, and then all over professor Stephen Hawking back in the 80s for the latest scientific discoveries? What an appalling record that Vatican has. So when is he due then?
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Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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I thought you said September Colin.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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showing your age there sid, never heard of that python sketch myself of course.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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The news item said September Tony, but I was wondering what date, and whether it`s still on?
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Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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Says September here Colin
http://thepapalvisit.org.uk/
Are you enjoying the book?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Tony, are you referring to the one left at the White Horse?
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