Keith Sansum1
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It appears Mr Phelps(prob through age/health is stepping back , trustees are talking to KCC and funders so hopefully this will move it forward
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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One would hope English Heritage might come on board. Unlike KCC they actually specialise in this sort of thing, have oodles of money to spare and could run it as a 'satellite' of Dover Castle.
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Ross Miller
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I agree Bob on this point & would add that KCC dont have a pot to pee in at the moment and have minimal expertise in the best way to preserve manage and run this type of thing
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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If we made the most of our heritage assets, the Castle, Grand Shaft, Fort Burgoyne, Roman painted house , the Maison Dieu, Dover could be a real tourist attraction. But it needs a concerted effort to transform these assets and for all parties to work together- they are an enormous resource, the money being spent on the Market Square could have been much better used. Fort Burgoyne is being restored but all these places need to be working together. Bring in the transport museum too.
I can’t be alone in being frustrated by the lack of focussed thinking.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Arthur I agree and it is slowly (too slowly in my view) changing, though to date the biggest stumbling blocks have been EH & RPH who didnt want to play with anyone else. We see from the comments above that this may well change with RPH & I understand from Destination Dover that EH are thawing towards the idea of working more closely with others. Fingers crossed this happens in our lifetime, especially given the restoration & renovation of Maison Dieu as well as the work The LAnd Trust are doing at Fort Burgoyne.
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Dover History Pages- Registered: 12 Dec 2020
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Ross Miller wrote:Arthur I agree and it is slowly (too slowly in my view) changing, though to date the biggest stumbling blocks have been EH & RPH who didnt want to play with anyone else. We see from the comments above that this may well change with RPH & I understand from Destination Dover that EH are thawing towards the idea of working more closely with others. Fingers crossed this happens in our lifetime, especially given the restoration & renovation of Maison Dieu as well as the work The LAnd Trust are doing at Fort Burgoyne.
*Historic England as they now are, English Heritage is the tourism part of the split and Historic England the legal side.
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Captain Haddock wrote:One would hope English Heritage might come on board. Unlike KCC they actually specialise in this sort of thing, have oodles of money to spare and could run it as a 'satellite' of Dover Castle.
EH hardly have any money, they are a self funding charity, just look at at the peripherals of Dover Castle and the amount of Western Heights under their 'guardianship', they won't be interested on taking on the RPH !
alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
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If you want a clock on English Heritage..........look at the Drop Redoubt....!! manned totally by Volunteers.
The Classicus Britainnicus Roman Fort in Dover...in it's entirety....was too hot to handle in Dover...the access to the Port took priority...
Hence it is buried in Sand and Concrete under the Hump of York Street....
A Town that denies its past and history......will have no future...and this is being played out.......
Even the Bronze Age Boat was partially saved...the rest lies buried in the underpass.....to much effort and expense to save the whole.....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubris.............
Nobody wanted the Romans.............It was an inconvenience for The Dover Harbour Board and the dancing aprons and handshakes
...............wrong place for access to the Port.....I have a CD on the dig...so amazing and scary.....
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The point I'm making is there has been a move to work with agencies that are going to help with the RPH but also tourism in general .
Visiting other areas you see how well they do
Why does Dover always fail
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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In my opinion Dover fails because too much time is spent talking rather than doing. The result is that everything arrives too late, after the momentum has been lost. Example: St James Development- talked up for years as an extension to the High Street, when it eventually delivered it offered little new but robbed the High Street of shops. Example: Fastrack- a bus service for commuters when people are reducing commuting in their droves. What is the point in redesigning the Market Square? How is that meant to attract investors? What happened to the Banksy? The most exciting attraction recently!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Dover History Pages wrote:EH hardly have any money, they are a self funding charity, just look at at the peripherals of Dover Castle and the amount of Western Heights under their 'guardianship', they won't be interested on taking on the RPH !
I am well aware of the taper on funding from HMG to EH or whatever they call themselves.
Perhaps if they spent more time preserving our heritage rather than 're-imagining the idea of Englishness at heritage sites across the country' and pursuing a false narrative of the lie that 'we have always been a country of mass immigration' I might have more sympathy.
With 1,044,000 Members, an annual income of c.£40 million and every site I've visited being staffed mostly by 'volunteers' I don't see spending a few bob on DPH or indeed Fort Burgoyne which they are supposed to be looking after on our behalf to be asking too much.
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Captain Haddock wrote:I am well aware of the taper on funding from HMG to EH or whatever they call themselves.
Perhaps if they spent more time preserving our heritage rather than 're-imagining the idea of Englishness at heritage sites across the country' and pursuing a false narrative of the lie that 'we have always been a country of mass immigration' I might have more sympathy.
With 1,044,000 Members, an annual income of c.£40 million and every site I've visited being staffed mostly by 'volunteers' I don't see spending a few bob on DPH or indeed Fort Burgoyne which they are supposed to be looking after on our behalf to be asking too much.
Have you been to the Castle recently? They are spending plenty of that £40 million on restoring the castle after years of neglect under military (UK government) ownership. Yes it would be lovely to spend some of that on RPH, but let us give them a chance....
By the way, when I went to Portland Castle, the EH (employee, not volunteer) lady said we were so lucky to live in Dover and she would love to work at our castle. Everything is relative.....
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That's great news, providing DDC get it right. Such an easy win opening up the site from Market Street.
Access to a such major historical site being restricted for so many years is a scandal.
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Best news I've heard in a while. It's taken a while to get all the ducks in a line so congratulations to those who've spent so long getting it sorted.
Now if only we could get rid of that awful block that used to have Burtons in it (and the squirty hoops) and put a new entrance to the Painted House on the museum side ...................
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It is sad that the previous owner didn't , or wouldn't work with others
Although it's worrying Eddy and DTC are involved
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Button
- Location: Dover
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'Plans for the future of the Roman Painted House follow news of a range of major developments for Dover Town Centre, including the multi million pound Dover Beacon project and the £10.5m reawakening of Dover Maison Dieu. This also follows news of a major funding boost to help conserve and regenerate Dover’s Western Heights.
There is a whole range of exciting initiatives coming together for the future of the district. This is another key catalyst for the regeneration of Dover, bringing increased footfall and spend to the town...'
All fair enough. Question: if I live outside the District, how will I learn of the RPH's attractions (or of Dover Beacon for that matter) and become part of the increased footfall? (I actually live inside the District but must have missed the Western Heights major funding boost.)
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Jan Higgins
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I believe that for years Dover has been awful at promoting itself to those who live outside the area as well as those who live nearer to home. If questioned I wonder how many know about anything remotely interesting local apart from the ferries and maybe our historic castle.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think that is part of Dovers problem.
Just on the RPH although it is a great site , and in such easy reach of town centre, it has been sad to see the past organiser not allow anyone near it to run it in a better way.
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