Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 October 2008
13:548440Yo! Mandie, what a result! Well Done, you're up there with the best of them.
Congrats to Viv
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
31 October 2008
17:248444Now I have got a few minutes I thought I would give you my thoughts as a St Rad's Resident and a member of the Labour Party and a Cllr.First of all I do not attack anyone for standing as it is a hard job,with no reward.But here are a few things that I would like to say.
1.Sorry Mandi you did well but you got it wrong about Gwyn,he has been out with every bi-election since I have known him,he was in Tower Hamlets when I stood and I and Labour supporters all try and get out to support the Candidate.
2.I live in St Rads,yes in a corner but Buckland Ave is hardly a minor road filled with Labour Supporters,so why did I not recieve 1 leaflet from any of the Indies,the Blues and Yellows came round.
3.Why is it that although I am a Labour Cllr do every other party think that my wife is a Labour member,she isn't a member but makes up her own mind and votes Labour.
4.Turnout,Sue I think you were right and wrong, turnout was low but it was a cold wet October day,yet 746 people went out of their way to vote because they care.By the way the last bi-election in the summer of 2006 led to 515 people voting so it was improved on the last election.
5.The Labour vote in that election was 284 this time 244,there were 6 candidates this time but in 2006 there were 3 Lab,New Party what happened to them and one Indy,so thereas a lot more choise this time,and it WAS a difficult time for Labour but we are seeing that we are now restoring things and people will come back.
6.I have never know so much effort going to fight a bi-election by all the 3 main parties,and so many leaflets delievered I have covered a bedroom wall with the Libs.
7.Well done to everyone who stood,some will be disappointed and some happy with the results,the important thing is we need someone to fight for St Rads.
8.This was a Town Council election based on local Civic and Ceremonial events and yes Chris I appreciate what the Town Council do and can do,but reading the leaflets you would have though it was an vote for a General Election,
9.It was good to see the Libs and the Blues squabbling over who said what and when,proper electioneering.
10.Congrats to Viv a lady who I know and I also know she will do her best for St Rads.
John
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
17:318445It's good to see a contest at elections, well done to Labour in gaining this seat. Regarding Mandie's comments about Labour being so concerned about the bye-election that they had to 'pull Gwyn in to knock on doors' - I don't mean this unkindly and I know you are new to politics, but I'm sure that Gwyn has knocked on doors when needed at every local and national election in Dover and Deal for the last 20 odd years.
31 October 2008
17:518446I'm sure he has Sid, but as I told Mr Prosser once before when he came strutting down my street like some glorified peacock.
"WHERE IS HE WHEN WE REALLY NEED HIM??"
OUT OF TOUCH. that's where he is
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
17:588447Mandie when people need Gwyn Prosser they call his office and make an appoinment to see him. If he's not in Parliament he is working for his constituents or walking down your street being visable and approachable. Did you ever meet David Shaw?
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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31 October 2008
18:078449Very close you guys everyone gave it their best shoot thats for sure
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
31 October 2008
18:098450you can always find him on the picket line.
31 October 2008
18:268451sid the only time I ever see Gwyn walking down my street is when there is an election.
Box standard letters from his office do nothing to put a vote of confidence in him, I'm sorry. Visable he is when there is a photo opportunity in it for him.
This is only my opinion, not from a political angle, but as a resident of Dover. I know many others feel exactly the same, but very often won't speak up.
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
18:318452There's a picture of Gwyn on the front page supporting at least 20 constituents. Many people have told me of the things he has done to sort out problems they've had. Maybe you're tired after last night Mandie, dont spoil things and make yourself look bitter please.
31 October 2008
19:058454BITTER
Sid please do not assume you know me, because if you think I am bitter regarding last night, then you couldn't be further from the mark if you tried.
Most people who have been members of this forum for a long time now, will tell you that my opinion of Mr Prosser has always been the same, you have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 400.
Yes Sid there is a picture!!!! HELLO what exactly did I say earlier.
Photo opp and all that.
You said it all in your opening line.
20 constituents(admirable) but what about all the forgotten ones.
I have also been told many things about the things he hasn't done to, so you have to balance it out Sid. I won't say he is all bad, but he aint all good either, and people seem to see him through rose tinted specks.
I don't, and I am usually a superb judge of character.
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
19:168455I dont know you Mandie, we've never met. I was just suggesting that by using SHOUTY uppercase words and attacking an opponent after losing an election might look like sour grapes. I stood in the County Council elections once and did not win, you just have to take it on the chin.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
31 October 2008
20:188461just a couple of minor points here.
mr p has been the only local political leader to stand up for the port workers who face a grim future.
his opposite number chas, after making a few noises early on, has been noticeably quiet.
our leading conservative on here, barry, has made the point that, sad as it is, nothing should be done to interfere with
the plans of dover harbour board.
more importantly, i feel badly let down by victor, i had him down as part of a win double with ladbrokes.
mind you, i am not sure that the other part of the double would have come up.
russell brand to be the next host of "songs of praise".
31 October 2008
20:438463attacking an opponent after losing an election might look like sour grapes.
Please show me Sid where I attacked Mrs Revell in any of my postings.
I hope you will apolagise for that. Not one of my postings today did I attack Mrs revell
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
20:488464Mandie I didnt say you attacked the victor in the bye-election, the opponent I meant was Gwyn Prosser.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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31 October 2008
21:198467thank you for your comments, and i am far from being disappointed I feel the same now as I DID BEFORE LAST NIGHT and I go no will not gave up and I am waiting for the next bye Election and will stand again anywhere and anytime on my own and also my own funds.
Sorry about that it shoud read on and not no.
It has been a very long day and have just got in from work
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But I will get then in the end.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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31 October 2008
21:218468Again it should read there not then Must get to my bed up again at 0430hrs
31 October 2008
21:518472Sid Please re-read your post of 6.16pm. You clearly stated and I quote.
"attacking an opponent after losing an election,might look like sour grapes" Un quote.
Unless I missed something on the voting forms, and election papers.
Gwyn was not my opponent
Sid Pollitt
31 October 2008
22:208475Ok Mandie, attacking someone who you obviously oppose, but not an actual opponent in the election that you lost. Using SHOUTY uppercase words and lashing out may make you look like a bad loser. Point taken?
1 November 2008
05:338478Steady on chaps! The outcome has been reached.
For what it's worth, an MP doesn't have to stride the streets to be accessible or to work hard for his or her constituents, and in fact that might be seen, as has been pointed out, as merely photo ops for which s/he would then be criitised! I do know that Mr Prosser has regular and frequent surgeries, takes time to speak to anyone who wants to meet with him about anything, and responds in a timely way. Even if the answer isn't what one wants, it is at least prompt, and clear. I know that on the few occasions I have met with him he has been prepared, sensible and helpful, giving me further information where needed.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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1 November 2008
07:348479Mandie I think the photo opportunity can be a purposeful tool for good in some circumstances so it shouldnt be rejected out of hand. However I agree there are photo opportunities and photo opportunities as most of us know.
The one on the current frontcover is an effective one as it draws attention to the case of people fighting for their jobs. There are 20 or so people in the shot, but these represent a total of 190 people, with maybe even more to come. So both Gwyn and Stepehen Ladyman were on their way to a meeting trying to save those jobs. The workers themselves will be grateful for his intervention as will their families facing an uncertain Christmas. Publicity for their plight helps as it is always necessary to get the sympathetic ear of the public if possible.
( back to add this bit: VIC it is possible to edit your posts, you dont have to come back with another post correcting the one thats gone before. There is an EDIT button bottom right of each post.)