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Always pleased to oblige , Howard.
Kearsney tiolets unaffected , Phil.
Bern thank you for comment on Kearsney toilets , I will ask Nigel to check the contract specification for this site.
I understand the new caterer is doing well & the public are enjoying a better offer than the previous franchisee.
Watty
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Yesterday Russell Gardens was packed.The loos were open last year.There is a concrete path to the loo I recall it being made and the facilities updated..You donot need electric light during the day.We have always managed before.I will not support people having to cross the road to access Kearsney Abbey toilets.Dont forget I practally live next door./These three parks are a magnet for visitors and surely we can find £4,000 No split in the ranks ,just doing my job for the greater good of the community.I did suggest a charge of twenty pence We also have a problem with toilets being closed early..
Absolutely Sue - there are mobility issues, people with young children, as you say, a busy road, if it's only £4000 it's outrageous to close them!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am bemused by the post from our leader(tugging forelock here).
why do we need a caterer ina khasi, and why are they giving a good service?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Very funny Howard - a caterer in a khasi !!!
Roger
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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'Khasi Catering'
I came up with a few quips and thought better of it
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i suppose there could be a chain of them eventually!!
AAAAAARGGHHH!! Flushed with success.........?
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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A few years ago, during the last year of a Labour controlled DDC, a list of proposals came out of Whitfield that were so unpalatable to the people of Dover the next election saw Labour out and the Conservatives in. There was even a public meeting held in the Town Hall as a last ditch effort to convince people that the measures were benificial, without success. Among that unacceptable list of proposals were the withdrawing of cash counter payments from Council Offices, since gone, raising parking charges ( remember the recent fuss?) and closure of public toilets. And yet people still see-saw from one party to the other.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
indeed. Dogma too often replaces sense and insight........
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Chris
Firstly said hello to your missus on bus recently as you asked!!
onthe switch of parties, its a funny thing.
I recall that stupid day when Labour made some of those proposals(they actually withdrew from some)
heading towards an election facing toilet closures how daft is that? not because they were problem but purely to save dosh, being in the labour cabnet at the time I argued internally what a stupid Idea it was, but we had a very blinkered (some)cllrs at that time, and sadly rather than the silent majority of labour cllrs who spoke to me oppising such a stupid idea, they sat back and allowed it to happen.
As for the Town Hall meeting, sitting up on that stage watching what a stage managed meeting, I'v never een so embarrassed in my life! thats why you probably saw i was first out of the hall.
I couldn't believe how it was organised,
Believe me if you were to be in the .labour group(not that you ever will) you would have heard me at every meeting trying to guide the labour group back to normality!!
I became a rebel with a cause, and I started to find holding on to control became more important than actually holding on to seats.
I'v always said no matter who runs he council the officers realy control it, no cllr has time to commit to it 24/7 or anywhere near that amount of time and the officers fill the vacuum.
I'v had many a stand up(or sit down)row with officers when they have attempted to keep cllrs out of different things
At the end of the day they(the officers)are there everey day, and few cllrs are, and i don't blame them for filling the vacuum, but theres a real dilema at the moment, you pay very little to cllrs so nly those who own business's/are une,ployed/retired can afford to commit tgime to it.
im not saying cllrs should be paid large amounts, but at the moment it is difficult to find candidates because of this stickng point, may need to be reviewed.
It appears though that the tories cabinet are now falling out(on toilets) and other issues and mr Watkins big majority wont be healthy for him, as back benchers(tories)are already getting disheartened
but hey thats politics(i suppose)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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back to the serious subject on this thread.
this chain operating out of kearsney.
how about "richards r us"?
seems rather covenient.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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back to the serious subject on this thread.
this chain operating out of kearsney.
how about "richards r us"?
seems rather covenient.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Keith
She mentioned it, thanks for that.
You raise enough points there for a whole new thread, and if you wish to start one I am sure to respond. Unfortunately the organisation of that meeting, as dreadful as it was, is now common place, a prime example being the PCT so-called consultations where everything is arranged to give the responses they want rather than to hear the valid complaints etc. from the floor. However, isn't it very sad for the electorate when party members fall into line and go along with decisions even when they instinctively know them to be wrong? Officers aside, surely it would be better if elected members voted according to their principals, and for the people of their wards, rather than just along party lines.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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getting back to keith's post, that does bring back memories, that embarrassing public meeting.
no wonder the next election was lost.
a while later, shepway councillors(lib dem controlled) wanted to shut the pissoirs too.
this was prior to a general election where they wanted to unseat michael howard.
when i say unseat!!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The issue here relates to the future of one loo and a spat between two people, however Keith might like to dress it up that is all it is. That said, as I understand it the matter has not yet been decided and has a process to go through. For what its worth I believe that Sue should have kept quiet publically and deal with Nigel and the issue behind the scenes. She would probably have a better chance of getting, for her, the right outcome rather than enforce an entrenched attitude.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Barry yes it is not always wise to public critise a fellow cabinet member in public ,however when you are not being listened to then one acts accordingly.I see a saving was made on toilets last year??This Toilet issuie is serious.There are no toilets in Crabble a lovely place to let children run ,play games ,learn to cycle etc.A long walk into town no toilets.
I see the everyday things which effect people.Its wonderful to get Cable cars ,new cafe on Deal Pier all at a high cost but we still need the basics.Im an old fashioned politician who will always fight fore the man in the street.
It does not make me popular but im not on the council for that .I saw Nigel yesterday he was still in one piece when I left.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Chris I hear what you are saying,but in all my years in politics I have never been told to vote along Party lines,yes we have discussions as all groups do and some are strong and lengthy but from my point of view i vote on what is best for my Ward,the Town of Dover and the District from my Socialist Principles,and the only one I think I ever lost was when I tried to get the Royal Engineeers to match through the Town and it was kicked out by the 'Labour' well that week Mayor Ken Tranter.
Keith,it can't be all good when you have a big majority,one long time Tory Councillor said to me in jest,can I join you lot,because he had once again been passed over for the Cabinet.
Sue well done for sticking with your principles,I look forward to you crossing the Chamber when the Toilet cuts that are coming soon start to be talked about,there is a spare seat near me in the Council Chamber if you decided you have had enough of being a River Blue and do a Ken Tranter in reverse and come and join us.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Baz;
You need to talk to YOUR cabinet members as there no frightened in coming forward telling me of the infighting both in the cabinet and the conservative group, Johns probably correct the group is to big and it will hard to keep the so called conservative back benchers busy.
JOHN
I'm afraid im not into this jumping parties like others have done, and should Sue want to get the full set of cards and join Labour im afraid I would oppose it.
Thats not to say I don't hav respect for SUE because I do, She works hard and is not frightened to speak her mind which she should be proud of.
THE council is sadly lacking personalities now,ad politics is the worse for it.
I'm sure even Baz would agree in his days(all those years ago)there were a lo of different personalities in the chamber but sadly most have now moved on.
You carry Sue, the people are with you, don't bac down now!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i do like the comment from john about crossing the chamber in relation to closure of lavatories.
just a matter the of sorting out the paperwork now.
