Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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keith,beware of the silent majorty.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BRIAN
Always parties never take anything for granted(as barryw will agree)
they will be out and about right up to last knockings at 10pm
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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True Keith - my office is the HQ for the day and people are gathering already for a coffee before going out on the knocker....
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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knocker who barry?.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah Brian..Brian..Im afraid that has to be the end..the endless diet of bad one liners..i have asked you 40 times, 99% of you input is like that above. other guys do occasional one liners but make up for it with substantial postings.A number of people have complained about this too so...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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reminds me of the line, if i have told you once, i have told you a thousand times, "don't exaggerate".
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Barry I cannot believe that you seriously believe that it would be good for the political health of this country to loose one of the 2 major parties.
Where I do agree with you is that no one party should hold the government for too long, all the evidence suggests that going beyond two terms is disastrous for the party in power and usually bad news for the country. Unfortunately under our constitutional arrangements there is little we can do to prevent this fool hardiness.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this issue came up in the eighties when norman tebbitt said it would be a good thing that the labour party died out.
soon after that, the labour party started to reinventing itself, culminating in a landslide victory in 1997.
then there were mutterings that the conservatives would never recover.
it just goes around in circles, what is worrying is that when a goverment has too large a majority it leads to arrogance and a couldn't care less attititude towards the electorate.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Howard
We desperatly need Labour to recover from this disaster, we cannot afford a conservative govt, worse, one with a large majority(im having nightmares already)
T Blair showed his arrogance when he had a large majority, as did many tory leaders before him.
I think Labour is at its lowest ebb, and has to start tommorow its fight back.
I hope that labour will learn its lesson from what the public is saying and start the fightback to regain the seats, and hold on to Govt
I don't want to go back to those early conservative dreary years when i nearly lost my house through them, i'm afraid I cant fogive.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross, yes that particular Party and its outdated dogma. We need a strong opposition party but not that one.
I offer, again, a strong yet sensitive Monster Raving Loony Party. How much worse can it be than the current chioces......?
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Barry I feel that the underlying dogma of the Conservative party is as outdated and irrelevant to the future growth and health of our nation as that of NuLab.
What is needed in this country is a paradigm shift to a set of principles and supporting policies that is not routed in failed past practices or twee views of reality, but truly looks forward and encompasses the challenges we will face and the needs of ALL our peoples.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Right on, Ross!! Tired old hackneyed phrases and trite echoes paraded as strategies - enough already! It's not working, let's fix it!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the two major parties have little new to say and engage the electorate, hence the turnouts getting lower each time.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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But ponder for a minute..the conservatives stand for conservatism. it means harking backwards towards the days of the old empire when everyone drank pink gins and all the jolly old MP chappies belonged to their clubs in St James's, and they puckered up occasionally to send colonial forces over to India to give them wallahs a good biffing. Good for the nations morale dont ya know!
Lets face it there is still a strong element of this kind of thing still today in the Tory Party. When did they ever do anything new. They dither and dither over the only new idea thats happened for years, the European Union, will we pull out, will we not pull out, will we stay in but still trade with the blighters. After all they are foreign... so lets hmm and haw some more.
No I dont think the Conservatives are noted for their willingness to embrace the new.
"Gadzooks! I say Rafters...have you seen the cricket score from Lords..those blasted Hollanders have given us a good thrashing!! That does it. We're not playing anymore, and we are now most certainly pulling out of the European Union! I mean where would it all end!?"
I thought the Conservative Party were the new Green Party these days? After all, they even changed their logo from a symbol of enterprising victory and strength to a girly-hippy-trippy wax crayon tree! And Cameron has, in the past, made plenty of speeches about "the environment". I'm not an environmentalist by any stretch and I personally think that the Tory's only "new" thing is this Green nonsense. To me this has always reeked of "dishing out whatever will make us popular" rather than reflecting the true values of Conservatism.
They are all jumping up and down with their hands i n the air saying "elect me! elect me!" and saying whatever it takes. That does not give me confidence that they are in it for me.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is one reason the public are so cynical bern.
the thing is that the blues are better at it at the moment, labour and lib dems miles behind.
a good example is the labour leadership denying the public a referendum on the lisbon treaty, immediately the others said they would offer one.
the way i see it, the advisers to dc are a lot more savvy than the advisors to gb.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Actually PaulB, modern Conservatives are nothing like you describe, I've often heard they are all blue rinse and rich - not the case at all; from the top end down to the lower end like myself and other Conservative helpers, they're all ordinary people, who do not like what Labour have done to this Country over the past 12 years or so.
There is a strong social conscience amongst Conservatives nowadays - a willingness to embrace everyone - except scivers.
People and ideas change, we move on.
You only have to look at Labour/New Labour, Tony Blair changed the Labour Party to bring it up to date, but had a Chancellor with his head stuck in left-wing dogma; as soon as TB left and Gordon became PM, it went more down hill and Labour started losing and Gordon started losing control - and Britain suffered.
The people of Britain don't want this left-wing dogma that Keith is so proud of; they can see what has happened and is happening to Britain - at all levels and aspects and are not happy.
We need a strong centre-right Government that cares about Society - and don't quote the old Maggie story about "no such thing as society", that was taken completely out of context, I remember putting the whole piece on here a while ago.
Roger
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Sadly what I see is a lot of woolly PR style puff at a national level that really has little substance.
If we look at the implementation of Conservative policy at a county level etc. it still appears to be old style elitism and separatism.
Where NuLab lost the plot was Tony Blair changing the party into a pale simulacrum of Thatchers brand of Conservatism and leaving its traditional values of collectivism and inclusiveness behind. Brown has only made it worse as whilst he wished to try and reconnect with those values he had to do so with a whole host of people who were wedded to the Blairite model; leading to the incoherent mishmash of policies we have seen during this parliament.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi