Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,992
Buses cancelled Deal to Dover ..................
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,832
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/air-ambulance-called-after-crash-on-m20-270702/
If anyone escapes Dover or is expecting to return via Folkestone, they have problems as well, I hope those involved are not too badly hurt.
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
- Posts: 346
Where to start? This morning went pretty much exactly like my rant on here the last time.
Did they shut Roundhill Tunnel again? Idiots. Can't blame The French for that.
I don't see the awfully unreliable Eurotunnel getting enough blame ever for this.
They've effectively banned/stopped taking coaches in the last few weeks by pricing them out. So they all head for Dover now. Same for all of the Eastern European mini-bus vans (and that's still a lot of traffic. despite Brexit). It's almost as if they only want to take freight and cars.
They've been beset by problems all week. Always happens when the heat climbs up. One tourist train an hour if lucky rather than two. They were running four an hour pre pandemic.
Plus their rolling stock appears to be terribly maintained, with trains often leaving with space because, "vehicle too heavy". The decks are patched up with 5 bar all over the place. Strip lights out in almost every carriage (if they can't keep on top of the little things...).
They really are an absolute shit show. Much like The Kent Resilience Forum it would seem.
How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
- Posts: 105
You'd think that in this day and age, neighbouring, like-minded countries would have signed up to some agreement whereby citizens could could travel without the need for checks
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
How I Wrote Elastic Man wrote:You'd think that in this day and age, neighbouring, like-minded countries would have signed up to some agreement whereby citizens could could travel without the need for checks
Well, there is the CTA I guess, but overall I thought we all wanted to Take Back Control and were, you know, sort of suspicious about Free Movement - not to mention passport fraud?
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
From the BBC: "The French authorities have said the delays at Dover were partly caused by an ”unforeseeable incident” in the Channel Tunnel, which meant that French border police were unable to deploy at full capacity in Dover until more than an hour later than planned."
With the benefit of hindsight, they should've come across by RIB. Or stayed overnight locally as BF do in Calais.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
It's always been entirely up to the French how they maintain their border controls. The Le Touquet agreement means that French immigration controls are based in the UK. Until that changes we have to accept the facts. We're taking back control aren't we?
We are a 3rd country now, by our own volition. This was all so eminently predictable. We had a system where people could travel without checks. It was called membership of the EU. We chose to leave it. We just need to face the new reality.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,992
The real question we should be asking is why anyone in 2022 should need to have a 'piece of paper stamped' when they enter another country?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
ray hutstone wrote:We had a system where people could travel without checks. It was called membership of the EU.
Apart from the Schengen ones, obviously.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:The real question we should be asking is why anyone in 2022 should need to have a 'piece of paper stamped' when they enter another country?
The purpose is obviously to maintain a record of when people enter and leave the country. I would have thought you would be in favour of that?
Wait until the biometric checks some into force in October. No paper stamping but still time consuming.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
This is what we wanted, third country status. For whatever reason, we thought it would be a good idea. Day by day, that's being disproved.
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 345
Captain Haddock wrote:The real question we should be asking is why anyone in 2022 should need to have a 'piece of paper stamped' when they enter another country?
Simon Calder, The Independent's travel correspondent, told Sky News: "Since Brexit, everybody has to have their passport, not just looked at, but properly stamped.
That's something that we insisted on when we left the EU."
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
Dover Pilot wrote:Simon Calder, The Independent's travel correspondent, told Sky News: "Since Brexit, everybody has to have their passport, not just looked at, but properly stamped.
That's something that we insisted on when we left the EU."
I'm recently back from having done a Spain, France, Italy, France again, Spain again (and repeat) trip. Entering the EU via Spain was effected by me scanning my passport, which was then entry-stamped. I didn't need it again until exiting Spain at the end of the trip. It was scanned by me and exit-stamped by the Spanish, and finally scanned by me back at LGW.
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
- Posts: 346
Eurotunnel are just lying now.
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 436
And all this has benefited us how?
Might be a faster crossing to go by dingy!! At least you’ll be guaranteed a safe passage!
Brexit has been a complete disaster but no one is prepared to admit it.
Sorry but I think we have got what people voted for!
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
Neil Moors wrote:Is there any point/purpose to the juxtaposed border posts now? At least if they didn't exist the queues would move (nominally at least) to the Port of Calais.
Good question; I think the answer lies with PoD, who would lose the French from outbound people controls but, of course, (re)gain the Brits on inbound ones. You can bet that infrastructure changes would determine the lead time.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Arthur wrote:And all this has benefited us how?
Might be a faster crossing to go by dingy!! At least you’ll be guaranteed a safe passage!
Brexit has been a complete disaster but no one is prepared to admit it.
Sorry but I think we have got what people voted for!
4 year old chickens coming home to roost. But never mind, we've taken back control.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:Good question; I think the answer lies with PoD, who would lose the French from outbound people controls but, of course, (re)gain the Brits on inbound ones. You can bet that infrastructure changes would determine the lead time.
Believe me, Button, the majority of Calais folk would be delighted to lose the Le Touquet agreement tomorrow. Would we go back to Carrier's Liability in the UK?
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,039
ray hutstone wrote:Believe me, Button, the majority of Calais folk would be delighted to lose the Le Touquet agreement tomorrow. Would we go back to Carrier's Liability in the UK?
Oh, for sure - if only as an inducement for ferry operators to pick up the scanner, heartbeat, CO2 etc etc checks in Calais.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Not really likely and a commercial nightmare.