Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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This post has been put on both the forums.
Cars with two doors should only have two seats.
A car with only two doors with two or more seats in the back are very bad and should come under the confined spaces Regulations, if you have a very bad crash and you have somone in the back how do you get them out? the car might be on fire,again the ones in the back will not get out.
They must stop making family cars with only two doors.
If you have very young children in the back and they have their seat belts on to, and you can not turn around to help them,and you might have only secs to get them and yourself out of the car before the fire takes hold.
They must outlaw them.
Vic M
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Been nice knowing you :)
Ross Miller
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Vic you really have lost the plot.
Try channelling the energy you expend on these hair brained ideas into something constructive
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That is not so coaches today have push out windows you can get out of.
Vic M
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I have not lost the plot,after having a young lady die in my arms after a car crash some years ago , I think more about cars and how they are made and what happens to them them in a crash,also all cars should carrie a first aid kit + a very good fire extinguisher,when I got to the car it was on fire but I did have a fire extinguisher and put the fire out and I got inside the car with the young lady but there was nothing I could do, I had done first aid for years but just could not help in this case, but the point is if I did not have that extinguisher with me we would have not even got her out of the car, If there had been four in that car which had only two doors we would have had to wait to get them cut out, and if that fire had not been put out, there is no need to say anymore .
Vic M
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And you call that hair brained, and say I have lost the plot.
Most people do have first aid kits in the car, but that can not be said about Fire Extinguishers,no good having a first aid kit if you can not get to the person because of fire, I do have both,but I forgot I am a hair brain who has lost the plot, or is your post wrong to say that about me.
I remain yours faithfully Vic M
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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How about we have men walk in front of them with red flags? that will stop crashes...
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Vic Im not sure why you see this thread is worthy of posting on both forums. Its a very ordinary thread and I cannot see the point. You do this regularly. Im sure that other forum doesnt want to be a carbon copy of this one, nor does this one want to be a carbon copy of that one...so can you desist from doing that.
Its not the crime of the century I admit...but if say someone has a major announcement of some sort then fair enough. If youre awarded the MBE or something but otherwise its humungously dull. We aim for originality.
Personal ramble at this point for my own well being: I suppose this is still a forum of sorts, but I dont use the name anywhere anymore on the site other than in the original name. I retired from doing forums a year or two back and was glad to stop. This is just a small club where people who write in it are happy to put their names to their writings.As its turned out there arent too many of this rare species about but we are still hoping to get some more of the towns movers and shakers onboard.
By the way Ross...I loved that movie Soylent Green..but the y comes before the L...see your strapline..tut!tut!
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PaulB
I have already expressed my feelings over some of Vic's ramblings which he often posts during serious debate.It belittles and debases the online forum discussions.However enough said and like yourself I do consider this forum as a 'club' and love the get togethers you organise.Thanks
Marek
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah thanks Marek..glad to see someone's in harmony with the ideal. yes I did have a word with Vic about debasing some of the serious threads with silly items, the king of river was one that springs to mind, and to be fair I think he has taken it onboard...but some of the threads ..well...
Yes will be having another 'bit of a do' before long so that the members can mingle over the alcohol and grub. Interestingly the White Horse has closed. Its been closed all month for refurbishment so I beleive. But is re-opening May 3. Wonder what they are doing to it. I'm all agog.
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PaulB
I think one of the parents of either of the landlords is seriously ill in Australia so they have taken the opportunity of flying home for a visit.
Blakes Wine Bar have altered their opening times to accommodate those poor souls with nowhere to roam.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
While I really support the ideal of the forum, what Vic said clearly shows he has strong feelings about this issue, with some history to back it up. I know he sometimes posts left field and off the wall, but in this case he does appear to have a point, even if it is presented in a different way. I had not thought about the number of doors in a car before reading this (my own idiocy i expect!) but it did make me think.
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Bern Thank you for that,and yes I do have very strong feelings about this and was right to put it on both forums that way it might make more of the public think like you have done,it could save a life.
If saying what I have is boring to you,think next time it might be you in the car.
Vic M
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The Boss.Sorry but how can you say this is not serious, I do not care if I am liked or not,but you can not get more serious than trying to save alife.
And looking at my post on this matter just like Bern did,you must see the points I am making about two door cars, first aid kits,and the Fire Extinguishers,because of that crash I now carry a bigger Fire Extinguisher, the other one done the job on the day only because it was a small fire and I put it out before it got a hold but only just.
If you do not think this is serious I just hope you do not come up against what I did that day coming home from work,even today some years after I still think I could have done more.
I will stop there on this one.
I remain yours faithfully vic Matcham
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Vic I will have to be brief here as Im a bit pushed for time...
this may be a serious point you are making, the problem is everything you say you think is serious enough for duplicating on both forums...as I think in terms of a magazine now rather than a forum see post 8, Im not interesting in duplicating stuff from elsewhere unless its of something of an exceptional announcement. This is just another thread like many of us do. What would it be like if we all went in for duplication?
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First of all I have to say that "IF" is a tiny word with a huge meaning. With almost any accident of any kind there's an if involved - if the other car hadn't turned, if the pedestrian hadn't walked out in front etc etc.
You can just as easily get stuck in a front seat as a back seat, with or without four doors. In a two door car the front seats fold forward so a person could be grabbed and pulled out from the back. In the case of a fire I would think it would be safer to concentrate on putting that out first anyway.
However - if you are first aid trained Vic then you should know that unless a persons life is threatened you should never move them yourself. By doing so you could cause more damage or even death. You should always support and immobolise the neck by holding it in place then leave the person alone and just talk to them until a paramedic arrives, asking their name and getting some details can help the professionals when they arrive, specially if the patient has become unconscious. By moving them yourself you risk internal bleeding, worsening of any damage done already and in the case of a spinal injury untold damage.
You would do well to retake your first aid exams, you should refresh every three years anyway, and realise that heroics are only good if you know what you are doing.
Finally I agree with PaulB and the others - another one of your fanatical ramblings is not what we need on our excellent magazine.
Incidentally, I know these things because my husband is a qualified first aid trainer/assessor with 25 years experience.
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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One of the other rules of first aid is to not move the patient 'unless it is dangerous to leave them where they are'. This would, I believe, be in line with Vic's point about fire extinguishers. There are a lot of other dangers involved in traffic accidents, such as petrol spillage and other road users, that would also make it imperative to move the victims to a place of safety. Here is the point of Vic's posting about the inherent problems of two door vehicles, especially if children are involved as they normally should be strapped into the back seats. A first aid kit is always a good idea in case there is heavy bleeding which should be staunched, or at least contained, until qualified medical assistance arrives.
Like Bern, this is not something I had given much thought to until I read Vic's postings. Given that, and the different readership of the two main Dover forums, I can see a reason for posting it on both. I am in the camp of those who generally find his posts to be silly or self agrandising but lately most coming from him have been, with a few exceptions, more reasonable or just conversational and I try to take each thread on its own merits.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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May I respectfully request that Vic puts pen to paper (old fashioned I know) and informs the ever declining car industry, that is in the middle of its biggest recession, in this country his thoughts on this matter and asks them to reconsider redesigning ALL the cars manufactured here under licence in order to comply with his findings.
I would be very interested in reading their response.
Marek
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Brian Dixon
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no disrespect to vic or any body else but does it matter how many doors a car has,weather its 3 or 33 its down to personel choise and common sense.if you have kids then you get a car suitable for that purpose,ie a 5 door car.
I am confused. Vic has raised a valid, conversational, point about a safety matter about which he has strong feelings and those feelings clearly arise out of a personal, troubling, experience. It has made me more aware of risks that i had previously not considered, it is not offensive, has prompted thought and debate, and is coherent. I'm with Chris on this one. There are other threads and postings that give me much more cause for concern and irritation!!!!
Been nice knowing you :)