Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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27 November 2009
19:3334004Today the UKIndependenceParty elected a new leader...Lord Pearson. Lord Pearson is the first leader of a political party since the 1960's to sit in the House of Lords. He is a rather posh speaking individual who was in recent times expelled from the Conservative Party for urging people to vote UKIP. A rather odd thing to do, so not surprised he was expelled. He was clearly disillusioned with the Tories anyway, due to their lack of a clear strategy on Europe. He then washed up on the shores of the UKIP beaches and they no doubt were rubbing their hands with glee having such nobility within their ranks.
UKIP of course have a clear strategy on the EU..they want out...no nonsense..out!
However I think this kind of policy/party appeals to the older generation disturbed by among other things, immigration and integration, and who see anything to do with Europe as a hark back to the misery of long gone times. In an age where party leaders tend to get ever younger, Lord Pearson is no spring chicken.
Although he does replace motormouth Nigel Farage who was/is a relative spring chicken.
Farage, following on from a series of relatively successful stints on the BBCTV's Question Time is now a well known figure, he therefore has his eye on REAL politics and is trying for a seat in Westminster at the next Election. He may just grab some of this misplaced sentiment that the EU is a bad thing.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 November 2009
19:4234005UKIP are not all about geting out of the E.U. It is NO1 on their hit list but they do have a manifesto on the U,K, and I am hoping to get this out to the public of Dover and the district over the next few weeks,it is not all about the E.U. and as a party we know that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 November 2009
19:5434007this chap pearson went to the top peoples school, so must have the breeding necessary for the higher reaches of politics, posh barry will furnish us with fuller details .
nigel farage will go all the way, no substance, but plenty of front and a brilliant brain.
a real populist of the old school.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 November 2009
08:3534022They'll need to widen their appeal and policies Vic. because the British public want a wider range of policies; one-policy parties will naturally fail.
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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28 November 2009
08:5034023I just heard Lord Pearson on R4..unfortunately I missed most of it but the UKIP aim is to take votes from the Conservatives with their ultimate aim in the forthcoming election...to achieve a hung parliament. They believe the British public to not want strong government either from Westminster or Brussels, so a hung parliament in Westminster is their immediate goal. That way smaller groups will be able to influence more, or wield more power....as they see it.
Yes Roger is right. They appear to exist only as a one idea party...withdrawal from the EU being their sole reason for being. Otherwise they would be Conservatives. Or to put it another way, if the Conservatives confirmed their plans to pull out of the EU then UKIP wouldnt exist.
However exist they do and Vic might be right in that they may try to widen their appeal in the forthcoming election with a wider range of policies. But so far they are not getting that message out.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 December 2009
18:3134284Well I am just off to my meeting I will get back to you later on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 December 2009
18:5334286just spotted paul's post from the 28th, they are conservative, they even offered to stand down from opposing them at election time if the blues offered a referendum on the lisbon treaty.
they cannot say that they did not have their chance.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
11:3634329Vote UKIP the single idea conserative party?
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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4 December 2009
12:1534336I'm seriously considering voting for UKIP at the next General Election, for the simple reason that continued British membership of the EU is something I believe to entirely undemocratic. Yes, UKIP is a one-policy party, but it's a policy that should be uppermost in our minds; the Labour party have reneged on manifesto pledges for referenda on this and handed sovereignty to Brussels, something I believe to be the biggest disgrace in our nation's history, and the Conservatives are conspicuous by their silence in condemnation of this.
I'm not anti-Europe, but I'm very opposed to not letting the people have a free and open debate on the subject, followed by a referendum on whether continued British membership should happen. It's something I never thought I would hear myself saying, but come the spring I fear I may hear myself saying"Vote for Vic Matcham"!!!
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
12:2434338Andy are you sure vote for Matcham
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
12:3634339I really dont know how you can say the Conservatives have been silent over Labour's betrayal over this Andy. DC and William Hague have been condemning what they have done repeatedly. Going into exile with UKIP will not help to correct this either, only the Conservatives have a hope of beating Labour and with that you will get the most anti-EU Government and Parliament since the act of accession. Ultimately it is the Conservatives who will get us out of it, make no mistake. Anti-EU feeling is growing and will continue to grow....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2009
14:2434350a lot of talk from the blues, people have noticeed that.
they have also noticed that no promise of a referendum has been forthcoming or is likely to in the near future.
why else would the single issue party gain such popularity?
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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4 December 2009
14:4334353Exactly Howard! The Conservatives are as deeply entrenched in Brussels as the Reds, despite Barry's protests. If I'm honest, my politics are probably right of centre, but I don't believe the Tories are being transparently open with us here: if Cameron were to promise a referendum on Europe upon his election, UKIP would sink without trace in days.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
15:3834355First to you John my name is Vic Matcham if you wish just to call Matcham that is OK with me but please put Mr and not just Matcham.
Any thank you for your post on U.K.I.P.I went to a U,K,I,P, party meeting last night and we was on about how the public look at us as a one policy party and the E,U. but we do have a policy on the U.K. which I will be telling more after the big U.K.I.P. meeting at the weekend but we have also done well in some locals elections as well ,i will be finding out more about them as well at the weekend,and will report back to you all on Sunday night.i was on about to the party that we must get out to the public more about the U.K.and our home policys but still keep on about the E,U, U.KI,P, is with us and would go if there was a referendum but that will not happen under blue or reds.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
22:0534384Fine Vic Mr Matcham,I will now be called John Mr Goodwin
I thought the policies would be ingrained as you are so set on them Vic,all I hope is that they haven't got a policy on which you don't agree,as I would hate to see you leave so soon.
One policy on the UK,well thats good.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 December 2009
23:4334387I did not make it clear,U.K.IP have a manifsto on the U.K. not just one policy and this as been back up with U,KI,P, doing well in the local Elections,and John I think you will need to look behind you at the next local Elections and keep your day job.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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6 December 2009
10:4534446My wife and me went to the meeting got back fromWeybridge last night about 2200hrs.We did call in and see some of my family at Horly on the way back.I did meet up with Lord Pearson and Mr Nigel Farage and Yes Paul I have done what you aske me to do and will get them to you soon please can you email me your address and I will bring them round to you.I will do a report on the meeting later today but we are geting ready to go to church now.But the hall was full up with well over 100members there.Thank you.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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6 December 2009
11:1334452Vic no need to bring anything round as I cant do anything with physical pictures placed in my hand. I need an ordinary jpeg type picture sent over via email...my email is
dover7@msn.com
Would be very good to see a picture of yourself with either Lord Pearson or Nigel Farage or with both. I cant do anything with actual photographs. But would certainly get a picture like that on the frontpage. Hope you can manage to get those over to me Vic.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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6 December 2009
17:5934475O.K. About the meeting,it was a very good one with over 100 members there .There are points you would like to know about the the next Gen/Election,the first one is there is a new Political Parties and Elections Act 2009 I did not know this till I went to the meeting.
This Act introduces new rules to take effect from 1January 2010 and run until the date Parliament is dissoved and I am told the last day is 11.4.2010,so now you have it,the election must be called before or on that date.So from Ist Jan 2010 till the date of Parliament is dissolved,this period must be called by all partys "The long campaign".
The long campaign ends when the campaign regulated period that we are used to begins ,this will now be called "The short campaign.
To the voter this means nothing ,but to the partys it does it is all about how much money the partys can spend on the election and when they can spend it.
Now going on to Lord Pearson and the wording he used when asked about U.K.I.P. on the T,V, i must say I did not see it or heard it,but it was about the word "Disband"of the party, He went on to tell us that it was taken out of contep and profile. And the wording he said was a mistake and that he should not have said it.He went on to talk about his own expenditure ,he did tell us that he does have a home in london and Scotland and yes he has put down expenditure for his home in L;ondon but it is only because his work in the house of Lords etc means he is in London up to six even 7 days aweek at times and most of the year he is in LONDON and it is to far to come from scotland each day.He did go on to say more I am just telling you the outline of it,if you would like to know more about it please aske me and if i can tell you then I will.He was talking for about one hour to us all after i did have a chat with himAlso Mr Farage was there who I do know fro the last Election,he is a very good and talks well,again I had words with him after the meeting.I think lord Pearson will make a good leader but not a good public talker. I have have had a email from him today and he goes on to say "How proud he is to be the leader of such a marvellous party and to tell us that Under his leadership U.K.I.P.will continue to target seats right across the U.K.
I have more to tell you later,thank you all for reading this post and if you would like to join me at U,K,IP, and help please email me at
victormatcham@yahoo.com Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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6 December 2009
19:3034482OK MR Matcham,I have got the long bit sorted out,trying to get my head round the short bit,I don't think I will join MR Matcham as it all sounds rather boring to me,the policies seem to be,1,I am on the fiddle but not as much as some,but then I own half of Scotland so it doesn't matter much and of course it was a mistake how much I claimed,and 2.I saw someone from the Telly.
Oh and by the way MR.Matcham,I don't have to look behind me because Tower Hamlets know that of all the Cllrs it has had in recent years I work the hardest,but if you think you can do better,stand.It could be intresting if I am selected,you see all I want for Tower Hamlets is the BEST and if you think you are better than me you might get elected.By the way I am also one of the best at the train station and as I have been there for 36 years I will keep my Day job,as 1.It pays.2.My free railway passes are worth a bit,and3.My pension is stacking up.
as like BarryW,I am quite good at finacial affairs and I won't have to work until your age.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!