Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Have you looked at the cost?
The cost was a heroic raid that cost a lot lives. You should be proud that we celebrating this event on St Georges Day.
Also what you are saying even thou you live in Dover you are not proud of for a military parade in Dover. There is not a lot we can celebrate in Dover.
You should be proud that Royal Navy sent a Frigate HMS Somerset to visit the town for this celebration.
Veteran Royal Navy
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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You have your views I have mine .A lot of people have died in two world wars and still wars are going on .At the end of the First World War it was quoted to be the war to end all wars but still it goes on .Falkands war ,Korean War conflicts in the Middle East the Conflict in Ireland so it continues .What we should aim for is to make the place which we live and work in a better place .in answer to the red rose is it not the symbol of the Labour Party.
I don't think they were celebrating St Georges Day .One person on another forum has said no mention of St Georges day .I suppose living in rural Esseex we did not have all these parades just the important one On the 11th November.
When you see one nation bombing civilians including little children then it makes one ask the question .
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Are you suggesting that the Labour party were not celebrating St Georges day Sue?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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"In answer to the red rose is it not the symbol of the Labour Party.
I don't think they were celebrating St Georges Day"
Your words Sue.
Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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Sue Nicholas "Hullo Captain and if I lived in Deal I would be proud to watch the Royal Marines .Why Dover is making so much fuss beggars belief"
In that one sentence you have contradicted yourself. Proud of the Royal marines Parade in Deal but not proud of the parade in Dover.. both remembering the sacrifice of the brave men who took part in the raid.
The reason we remember in both towns is because the Royal Marines for the raid were trained in Deal and then left for the raid with the majority of ships from Dover. Some left from Blackwater, Essex and some from Dunkirk.
That is what all the fuss is about.
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Brian Dixon wrote:#7 and #8, what has that got to do with the zeebruge raid, a lot of men died there as a part of the war effort. may be some people need to go around some of the bigger war grave places in france and belguim to apreshate the sacrifice men payed to keep YOUR freedom.
Brian we all know why the war was fought, I was saying about Sue saying about red roses pinned on Cllrs cloths and cost. We can do a great ceremony without dressing up in flowers and going overboard. In the old days we made things and that adds to the heart of it I guess instead of buying in a stuff or wearing stuff that costs heaps of money. I stick with Sue on this with costs etc, because everyone moans there is no money for this and that, however, when something comes up it is 'don't spare the cost'. Well Ill tell you maybe those servicemen did fight for OUR freedom but if they were here now and saw the state this country is in, with people starving and people on streets whilst we let others in, house them and give money we cannot afford or spend any unnecessary money for the sheer show of deaths a 100 years ago- I dare say THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY! The point is it was over a 100 years ago and we can remember I am sure we all do even though nearly all of us was not born then but we know of the great effort, suffering and loss. This country being in extreme debt put on to its people, forked with every council in each town cutting costs and raising council taxes and then making up new laws to rob common people of money to make them poorer is being a freedom then your mistaken. Were bloody cattle for the goverment to make money from we have passports without these we cannot leave this country. People can break into your homes, crush your cars , arrested for saying something goverment deems wrong and so on WHERE IS OUR FREEDOM?
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ZEEBRUGGE RAID (23 April 1918)
Some further pictures from the 100th Anniversary Commemoration held at St James' Cemetery this morning:
and later at Noon at the Town Hall
The ringing of the Zeebrugge Bell at Noon
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I did not go this year but I agree it should carry on as it has done for many years and the young ones can see for them self what the older ones done in giving up their life so we all are free to live ours.I was in the Army in late 1950s and the 1960s but never had go to war like they did .
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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With the risk of repeating myself,once again I say we remember all those who died in the conflict of war on the 11 th day of the 11 th month at the 11 th hour.Children have History lessons .we have musuems so they can always be told about the conflict of war.
I grew up in the war and living in East Anglia surounded by airforce bases we lived in fear of air raids .Scrambling under the kitchen table during an air raid or at school standing away from the Windows..
We had an Italian Prisoner of war living with us for over a year.War is not to be glorified and all these years later the lessons should have been learnt.,sadly it has not .
Food was scarce everything rationed queuning for food clothes make do and mend .
So I don't need huge parades to remind me .
i feel for the young widows having brought up my youngest son on my own .We should strive to see war never happens again .Learn to live peacefully with one another .
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When we had events like this one when the above person was chairperson of the D.D.C She was at all of them and putting down a reef . .Anyway this is what the Town Council should fund and they do and a good job of it to very little cost to it. As Dover was hellfire corner and had the most bombs in any town with the first and last bomb of the last war being drop on it ,any events about the war should be in Dover.
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Yes I did attend events.and went up to st James four times and laid a wreath .In all over four years I laid over forty wreaths .I always wore a hat and as first citzenn of the district I carried out the role with respect and dignity.It does cost money and yesterday's event was over the top.Yes I know Dover suffered a lot of war damage but so did other towns and cities.Those of us that lived in the country had to grow crops etc to feed those who were not in the armed forces .The woman had to take on the jobs that the men usually did .
it's just time to .move on .I have supported Help the Heroes during my tenure of office .
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I don't think the people of Coventry would agree with you.Those who lived in the country had to,house evacuees we had two families.
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With due respect to all 'our' total civilian deaths of 62,000 in WW2 were tiny compared to that suffered by other combatant nations. [U]We[/U] managed to kill 42,600 over a weeks bombing of Hamburg , almost the same number as died in nine months of the London Blitz.
http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/fatalities
Puts the 5,000 plus total civilians killed in ongoing war in Yemen into perspective in my opinion.
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Captain Haddock wrote:With due respect to all 'our' total civilian deaths of 62,000 in WW2 were tiny compared to that suffered by other combatant nations. [U]We[/U] managed to kill 42,600 over a weeks bombing of Hamburg , almost the same number as died in nine months of the London Blitz.
http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/fatalities
Puts the 5,000 plus total civilians killed in ongoing war in Yemen into perspective in my opinion.
The ordinary population die or are injured while those at the top who instigate wars and conflicts sit in their cosy office or home or even luxury palace safe and sound.
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Liverpool also 'celebrates' the Zeebrugge raid as two of their ships I think the Iris and the Daffodil took part.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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They were indeed. Two Mersey passenger ferries manned by volunteers - the 'Daffodil' and the 'Iris II'.
'Daffodil' was charged with pushing HMS 'Vindictive' against the harbour wall to disembark their raiding party assisted by Iris II that I believe had marines on board.
They were part of the diversionary tactic on the Mole at Zeebrugge assisting HMS 'Vindictive' to draw attention from the real objective - to sink three concrete laden block ships in the entrance to the port to prevent German submarines from moving into the North Sea.
http://www.merseyside-at-war.org/memorabilia/iris-and-daffodil/
A more modern warship - HMS 'Somerset' - that berthed in Dover Harbour for the Anniversary Commemorations on 23 April. Here preparing to leave on 25th.
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What is a little concerning here is Sue on the one hand over the years was happy to spend thousands every year for garden parties with no real; outcomes until a few of us managed to get them scrapped.
But she';s unwilling to support an event well attended by the public, to remember others who have died.
That's rather sad in my eyes.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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A lot of people attended those over the years .It was a thank you gesture to the many people who contibuted to the life of the district .It was also a way of promoting businesses .I recall the PR man from Mclarens DDC we were trying to get them to relocate at Llydden .I chatted to the Pr guy and within the week Ron Dennis,s head man visited DDC ,It was a very good PR exercise.
it's time to move on Keith .Where did all the invited guests to Modays event eat .Were the general public invited into the Town Hall .Did you attend any civic treceptions ?.
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