Brian Dixon
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that will upset the anti vax people
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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I do understand peoples rights , but not being vaccinated when your able affects so many others .
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Weird Granny Slater
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Jan Higgins wrote:Having very recently had 11yr old and 1yr as well as two vaccinated adults members of my very close family contact covid I admit I am prejudiced having spent roughly ten days of worrying about catching it myself.
Sorry to hear that, of course. But I think you hit the nail on the head there, JH, as to the futility, on practical grounds, of 'vaccine passports'.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Although we have no proof we believe the unvaccinated 11yr old was to blame. I hate to think what the result would have been for the two adults had they not been jabbed, luckily one was only mildly hit for a few days, the other younger one felt quite rough for quite a while and her taste is still a bit off.
I am unsure how effective the passports will be, I suspect the unvaccinated will simply get fakes.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:that will upset the anti vax people
It has 'upset' quite a number of 'pro' 'vax' people too, BD. You do realise that having a view on vaccines and having a view on 'vaccine passports' are different things, and that it is neither a freak of the mind nor a minority position to be in favour of the former while being opposed to the latter?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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There's so much info held on us these days
Will it really make any difference having these vaccine passports?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Vaccine passports are a useful tool in diverting attention from other things. Notice today that Nadim Zahawi was sent on the media rounds.....because government is desperate to keep us talking (and holding opposing views) on vaccines/vaccine passports (rather than tax rises).
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:There's so much info held on us these days
Will it really make any difference having these vaccine passports?
That's such a daft argument, much like saying: 'The water's already up to my neck, so will it really make any difference if it goes over my nose?'
Besides, it's not even the point. A vaccination will be recorded on an individual's medical record in any case. A 'vaccine passport'* will require the holder to share his or her private medical status and history with any random bod (club bouncer, football turnstile operator, nosy neighbour, etc.) as a prerequisite for going about his or her business. So it's a civil liberties infringement, and discriminates against people on the basis of their health. But it'll also be utterly useless in practice, given that being vaccinated prevents neither infection nor transmission.
* I prefer to call the thing a 'Digital Movement Permit' or some such. It's not helpful that even many of those opposed to the things have lamely accepted the government's 'passport' label, which makes it sound all warm and cuddly, rather than the prohibition mechanism it is.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:
* I prefer to call the thing a 'Digital Movement Permit' or some such. It's not helpful that even many of those opposed to the things haven’t lamely accepted the government's 'passport' label, which makes it sound all warm and cuddly, rather than the prohibition mechanism it is.
Thanks WGS for this explanation, I now know why I am finding it difficult to access some of Brighton’s night life despite pointing out item 2 on the terms of use to the two legged Rottweiler on the door!
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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This pandemic could be seen as a different kind of war.
Regarding the passport I work on the basis of nothing to hide nothing to worry about.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I have to say is this info so bad for people to know
Figures 100 to 200 a day in UK still dieing a worry
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the trouble is is it covid or something differant and covid getting blamed.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I have to say is this info so bad for people to know
Yes. Next.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Figures 100 to 200 a day in UK still dieing a worry
So, what are the other 1300 or 1400 dying of? Are you 'worried' about them?
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Bob Whysman wrote:Thanks WGS for this explanation...
Yes, I know all that. If you want sentimentality to drive your thinking, then go ahead. I
could do that myself: My father was born in 1920, so spent the best years of his life fighting the good fight. I have his France & Germany Star, his Defence Medal, and his War Medal 1939-45 to prove it. The medals he didn't see, as it happens, as he died before the AFPAA could be bothered to send them. I have no doubt at all that, had he known he was fighting for the kind of country you appear to want to live in, he'd have said, 'You know what? I've got better things to do.'
But I
don't do that. So, what's your point?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Of course we are concerned for all deaths
But this heading was about Corona virus
But if course you know that Weird
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Yes, I know all that. If you want sentimentality to drive your thinking, then go ahead. I could do that myself: My father was born in 1920, so spent the best years of his life fighting the good fight. I have his France & Germany Star, his Defence Medal, and his War Medal 1939-45 to prove it. The medals he didn't see, as it happens, as he died before the AFPAA could be bothered to send them. I have no doubt at all that, had he known he was fighting for the kind of country you appear to want to live in, he'd have said, 'You know what? I've got better things to do.'
But I don't do that. So, what's your point?
HEY WGS, what are you on about?!! My post was intended as a joke and in no way intended to be offensive, indeed, I am at a loss to understand how you found it so.
Perhaps you would care to explain what rattled your cage?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Oh dear
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Bob Whysman wrote:HEY WGS, what are you on about?!! My post was intended as a joke and in no way intended to be offensive...
I don't think I've been offended since 1966, BW, when England won the world cup, and I was in Osnabrück.
Perhaps you read it with the wrong tone of voice: instead of imagining me running up and down the curtains like a cat chased by a snake, see me laid out on the sofa, with some chilled vodka, a papirosa and warmed by Rachmaninov's large hands.
Still can't see your point though.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:...this heading was about Corona virus...
For the forgetful, the subject was most recently introduced by AndyPol in post #1085. I simply riffed on an already established theme.
But even the terminally dim must realise that a 'vaccine passport' has not a little to do with a vaccine, which vaccine has not a little to do with 'Corona virus'.
The zombie policy's been shoved into a ditch, in any case. But like any zombie, though it's lost an arm and its mouldering skin hangs in threads, it'll keep hammering on the door, assisted by zombie arguments like 'if you've nothing to hide...' or 'well, they already know my inside leg measurement', until someone destroys its brain once and for all. If that doesn't happen, it may come back as an even bigger zombie.
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