howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We are definitely coming out it's the law now
news.com.au
The PM would disagree with you on that Kimmie, i'm not an expert but I believe that the law could be overturned very quickly.
Brian Dixon
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:We are definitely coming out it's the law now
news.com.au
The PM would disagree with you on that Kimmie, i'm not an expert but I believe that the law could be overturned very quickly.
not unless article 50 is revoked.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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From the Times - things suddenly moving at a pace.
Opponents of a no-deal Brexit will unveil a plan today to force Theresa May to delay or revoke Article 50 if parliament cannot unite on a way to leave the European Union. In a move to upend the “default” setting of Brexit a cross-party group of MPs will publish a draft bill this afternoon that, if passed, would reverse Britain’s automatic departure from Europe. The bill would give the prime minister and parliament six weeks to reach a consensus on a way ahead. If no plan could be agreed by the Commons the bill would instruct the prime minister to request an extension to the Article 50 process.
If the EU refused, the bill would compel the prime minister to withdraw Article 50 unilaterally — a move ruled legal by the European Court of Justice last month. The plan is being mastermined by a group of senior Conservative MPs including the former ministers Sir Oliver Letwin, Nicky Morgan and Nick Boles. It is significant because Britain will leave the EU automatically on March 29 with or without a deal. If passed, the new bill would not only force Mrs May to either extend or repeal Article 50. It would also upend the long-standing relationship between parliament and the executive for the first time by allowing MPs not just the chance to approve or reject government legislation but to propose that legislation themselves.
Senior sources behind the plan said it had been developed after extensive consultation with parliamentary legal advisers. They added that the bill itself would be amenable by MPs to “provide an opportunity for parliament to decide how it wants to proceed”. It would be triggered within days if Mrs May’s deal is rejected by MPs tomorrow night. It will pile pressure on hardline Brexiteers who have always assumed that as Brexit day is set in law Britain will automatically leave the bloc in March regardless if there is a deal.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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So, apologies if I have missed it, but has Charlie Elphicke given any indication of which way he will vote tonight?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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According to Sky news he is voting against the deal.
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Hot off the press.
Charlie Elphicke
5 mins ·
Today I will vote against the EU withdrawal agreement. I cannot back paying £39 billion of hard-earned taxpayers' money without something concrete in return. Nor a deal with a backstop that has no end. I have listened to all sides & concluded this would be a bad deal for the UK
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Thanks, Howard. There we have it.
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No.10 responds to calls for someone more plausible to address the nation.
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Nigel and chums making a day of it outside Parliament, a couple of good pubs close by.
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Neil Moors wrote:So, apologies if I have missed it, but has Charlie Elphicke given any indication of which way he will vote tonight?
He has also posted this on FB, his last sentence also sums up my feelings....
"Yesterday in Parliament I urged the Prime Minister to confirm she is determined that we'll be leaving the EU on March 29th, despite the Trump-style shutdown threats of The Labour Party. Because while no deal is not ideal - it's not the end of the world either."
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lets have some confused anarchy, followed by shambles and bedlam.
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
Michel Barnier will hold late night talks with leading members of the European Parliament in the immediate aftermath of tonight’s meaningful vote on Theresa May’s Brexit deal, amid suggestions that Brussels would entertain further UK-EU talks if the agreement is rejected by MPs in Westminster.
Heiko Maas, Germany’s foreign minister, and Mario Centeno, the president of the eurogroup of eurozone finance ministers, conceded there could be more Brexit discussions if the deal is voted down in the House of Commons, as is expected. Mr Barnier, the European Union’s chief negotiator, will discuss the result of the vote with the most influential MEPs on Brexit, including Guy Verhofstadt, the parliament’s Brexit co-ordinator, as fears over the risk of a no deal grow.
“They will release a big statement tomorrow if the deal is rejected,” a parliament source told The Telegraph. Speaking to reporters at the European Parliament, Heiko Maas said: "The agreement stands, as it is. I doubt very much that the agreement can be fundamentally reopened. If there were a better solution, it would already have been put forward." “If it goes wrong tonight, there could be further talks,” he added. “We need to take informed decisions with total calm and avoid a no-deal exit. Practically anything is better than a no-deal exit,” said Mr Centeno, who predicted the EU could “adjust our trajectory”. But Nathalie Loiseau, France’s Europe minister, said, “It’s up to the British Parliament and the British government to have a back-up plan. It’s not up to us, we have given everything we can give.”
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A good comparison with our PM is that bloke that had the hump with a whale in a Herman Melville book and would risk the lives of all around him in his blinkered quest not to be outdone
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Europe in mrs may out, retired to the funny farm
Ross Miller
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Well the lights are still on and the world still spins on its axis...
That was a serious rejection of "the May Deal" - the largest government defeat in parliamentary history...
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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around 200 against wasn't it ross.
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The government was defeated by 230 votes
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