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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brown trousers in Brussels with Barnier, Juncker et al now offering to extend our leaving date to next year so that we can sort out our political differences here. Mrs Loathsome will have something to say about that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Sometimes posts on Twitter come back to bite.
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Keith Sansum1
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Ref post 3,257
So if labour won't win general election
And Brian says tories won't either
Who will??
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Brian Dixon
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lib/dems.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Breaking news from the Telegraph.
Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. The Chancellor set out how a backbench Bill could effectively be used to stop any prospect of no deal. He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. He claimed next week’s Bill, which could force the Government to extend Article 50, was likely to win support and act as the “ultimate backstop” against a no-deal Brexit, as a “large majority in the Commons is opposed to no deal under any circumstances”. A recording of the call, passed to The Daily Telegraph, recounts how the Chancellor, Greg Clark, the Business Secretary, and Stephen Barclay, the Brexit Secretary, spent nearly an hour talking to the leaders of 330 leading firms.
They included the heads of Siemens, Amazon, Scottish Power, Tesco and BP, all of whom warned against no deal.
The disclosure reveals the close nature of the relationship between the Treasury and some of Britain’s biggest businesses, and how they appear to be working in tandem to block a hard Brexit. It will also add to suspicions that Mr Hammond has been orchestrating attempts to soften Brexit.
Mr Hammond assured the business leaders that the Government would stop spending money on no-deal preparations “as soon as we know we are not going there” and give businesses “a resumption of normal service”. He indicated the Government was open to talks over the customs union by saying it could not go into discussions with other parties “waving flags with red lines on them”.
Mr Clark argued “we can’t have no deal” and said Theresa May would return to the Commons, following the defeat of her Brexit deal by a record margin on Tuesday, with “at least as close a trading relationship” as proposed under her original agreement. However, Mr Barclay, a Eurosceptic, appeared to clash with his colleagues by warning that taking no deal off the table would “weaken the negotiation hand” with Brussels.
The Prime Minister on Wednesday night won a vote of no-confidence tabled by Labour and invited the leaders of other parties to meet for talks. Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, declined to talk while a no-deal Brexit remained on the table. Mrs May refused to rule out entering into a customs union with the EU, in an apparent softening of her stance, as EU leaders urged her to retreat on her “red lines”. Mr Hammond’s conference call was held at 9.30pm on Tuesday, less than two hours after Mrs May’s Commons defeat. The Chancellor, Mr Clark and Mr Barclay hosted the 51-minute call from Downing Street.
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EU means European Union
EU means Everyone Upset
EU means Ending Unknown
EU means Everything Undone
EU means Enough Ulcers
... the EU means a lot of things to Everybody Usually.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
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A General Election is about as useful as a handbrake in a canoe right now. It would simply result in another hung parliament with entrenched Brexit positions exactly as they are now.
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Jan Higgins
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Ref post 3,257
So if labour won't win general election
And Brian says tories won't either
Who will??
Another coalition would be my guess at the moment.
I wonder if Corbyn will ever join in the Brexit consultation with blinkered May, two equally stubborn party leaders who obviously put their ideals or is it whims before their country's needs.
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Weird Granny Slater
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Re post #3271. It's always best to check your facts first, or you may end up spreading fake news. Maybe an apology's due to @Charlotte4Dover, and maybe Marcher should amend the sniggering caption. For YouGov simply got their graph wrong. The
actual YouGov survey results are here:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/qt3qyu076i/Results_190116_Brexit_w.pdf
For those unaccustomed to paying attention to detail, look under the column 'Vote in 2017' then 'Lab', read down and you'll see, unsurprisingly, 56/22
in favour of a GE. These figures have clearly been reversed for the headline graph. I dunno, who
can you trust nowadays?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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These all party talks just seem like a move from the PM to pretend to the public that she is acting in the national interest. Caroline Lucas has been to see her and says that the PM is not giving an inch. We know in advance that the DUP will just ask for free money and doubtless the SNP will just want something that benefits Scotland. The main opposition party has seen through it so we just slowly drift further in the direction of no deal.
Ross Miller
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My tuppence worth
The EU will shortly offer an extension of the effective date of Article 50 to sometime in early 2020.
Any date earlier than this will present them with some interesting constitutional conundrums given the next round of EU Parliamentary elections are this May...
Whist they played a blinder in the initial negotiations, in no small part due to our complete ineptitude, they will now offer some minor concessions in order to encourage MPs to vote for the (revised) plan.
There is a 60:40 chance of a second referendum especially if the EU do extend the effective date of Article 50.
There is still a fair chance (40% ish) that the UKs invoking of Article 50 will be rescinded
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I was thinking yesterday about the European elections assuming we take up the offer from the EU to stay in until next year and it definitely complicates matters as they come only 3 weeks after we have town/parish/district elections.
Parties will have little time to find the money and suitable candidates to present to the electorate. The choice of candidates for the Lib Dems and UKIP is simple enough but the two main parties will have to decide on a pro or anti EU individual for each constituency. One good thing though is that it almost certainly rules out a General election that nobody really wants.
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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As far as I'm concerned I still see us coming out of the EU one way or the other they won't stop it and we don't need another referendum we had one leave one simple as that
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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we need a genral election and another referendum to clarify things a little.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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We need all those in Westminster to stop behaving like spoilt brats, stop thinking of their ego and career and actually sort this entirely avoidable mess out.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The EU will only extend the leave date if we ask for it and if it is for a 'democratic' reason, i.e. either a general election or a 2nd referendum. I very much doubt that it will be offered as an EU initiative.
The French, in particular, are pretty much resigned to our leaving without a deal. Mutti is more sympathetic but anyone who thinks the EU will do anything to compromise the principles of their cherished single market has been listening to the likes of Johnson and Gove too much. It is the most successful trading block in the world after all.
Theresa has one again kicked the can down the road today be delaying her revised plans until the end of the month. Will she back down on ruling out either a no deal or a 2nd vote? As things currently stand, then something has to give.
