Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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According to the scaremongers we will have no food, even though we have plenty of growers and farmers in the UK , and the shops will be empty of produce
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
as for famers they will not be able to get the cheap labour in without a visa.so no fruit and veg pickers no fruit and veg in shops.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:as for famers they will not be able to get the cheap labour in without a visa.so no fruit and veg pickers no fruit and veg in shops.
I was wondering about that myself because I don't think they have brought back the seasonal workers thing. Even if all get picked it would be mid to late Summer before hitting the shops and with so much agricultural land being built on over the years what produce becomes available will be at a premium price.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I'm sure Mr Rees-Mogg will still be able to get his 5 a day. No shortage of dosh in that household. Did anyone else see him get ripped to shreds on today's Politics Live?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no I missed it, was he wearing his top hat and bow tie
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,035
Mr Elphicke tweets: "In EU Withdrawal debate saying we need to deliver on the Referendum and get on with leaving the EU. It’s time to move on and focus on building Brexit Britain."
And hence (according to the BBC): 'Charlie Elphicke did not vote on Theresa May's Brexit motion on 14 February (Dover, Conservative)'; he voted against the Labour and SNP amendments - both of which failed.
Talking about focusing on building Britain, it would be nice to see some of the potholes on the coastbound A2 filled in, but since they're not on the way to/from Manston, perhaps that's a bit of an ask.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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No. 10 are downplaying the result of the vote yesterday but doesn't help the PM with negotiations in Brussels, meanwhile the clock ticks away.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Hi Button
I do find it a little confusing when Charlie votes against other parties amendments but then doesn't support his own govt
I wonder then what Charlie wants the outcome to be?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#3486 - At one point the discussion moved onto crashing out and trading under WTO rules, Brian. After Rees-Mogg's arguments had been roundly disproved by Andrew Neil and his other guests to the point of being laughable, there came a point where even Rees-Mogg's usual pompous countenance seemed to flicker with the hint of a smile. I don't he thinks he believes what he says half the time. He just has the huge advantage that the outcome doesn't matter to him at all.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:#3486 - At one point the discussion moved onto crashing out and trading under WTO rules, Brian. After Rees-Mogg's arguments had been roundly disproved by Andrew Neil and his other guests to the point of being laughable, there came a point where even Rees-Mogg's usual pompous countenance seemed to flicker with the hint of a smile. I don't he thinks he believes what he says half the time. He just has the huge advantage that the outcome doesn't matter to him at all.
I think devotees of Rees-Mogg think he is clever because he "talks posh", a bit like in the days of Enoch Powell when he ranted about black people - sorry people of colour, his fans would point to his academic qualifications and being an expert Egyptologist. When I listened to him I could never work out what he was on about most of the time and I suspect many of his followers felt the same.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:When I listened to him I could never work out what he was on about most of the time and I suspect many of his followers felt the same.
Probably says more about you than him Howard!
As Health Minister he was of course the first to actively seek to recruit Doctors from Pakistan and India to make up for shortages in the 60s and in the 'Watertower Speech' changed our treatment for the mentally ill for the better and began the closing of the large asylums where people were literally locked away with the key thrown away.
A man ahead of his time.
A shame he is only known for the 'rivers of blood' speech but even he didn't foresee that the rivers flowing on our streets would be from black kids stabbing each other?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/west/london-teen-lewis-blackman-chased-gang-20-stabbing/
Now where have I seen that before?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Interesting video but they wouldn't allow that many people to black up for a film nowadays.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
The future of the entire EU project is at risk because of the deep, sustained crises in the southern eurozone economies, Christine Lagarde has warned. While northern and western countries have prospered, those in the south have suffered, with average real wages falling from 2008 to 2017, the head of the International Monetary Fund said. It is crucial to spread economic growth more broadly to "help restore faith in the European project", she said in a speech in Munich. "We know it will not be easy. But just as with every difficult undertaking since the war, the hard work will help deliver long-lasting peace and prosperity." Italy is back in recession, France has been riven by the gilets jaunes protests and even Germany, the powerhouse economy of the currency area, is stagnating.
Italy and other southern eurozone economies have failed to share in the prosperity of northern countries, testing citizens' faith in the EU project, Christine Lagarde warned. Failure to achieve a convergence of living standards between southern and northern states risked undermining the cause of international cooperation, Ms Lagarde said. “Right now, in a world that is questioning the value of international cooperation, the world needs Europe more than ever. But first, Europe must succeed at home. For that to happen, Europe needs to rekindle economic convergence where it has faltered.”
This has worked in some parts of the continent, according to the IMF chief, noting that real incomes across much of eastern Europe have soared in recent decades, led by Latvia and Lithuania, where incomes tripled from 1993 to 1997. Ms Lagarde pointed to the reforms that those nations took to open up their economies and increase competitiveness, which paid off handsomely. By contrast the southern nations have lost a decade of growth as reform efforts stalled with the financial crisis and never got back on track. She said struggling nations need to reform their economies to make jobs markets more flexible, cutting red tape when setting up a business and modernising insolvency regimes.
Such advice has been offered for years but only heeded to a limited extent, although countries such as Portugal and Spain have has successes in shaking up their once hidebound economies. But the former French finance minister said it was time for the rest of the eurozone to do more to support those efforts, as the whole EU benefits from a healthier Italy, Greece or Spain. “The EU can help countries implement reforms through technical assistance and advice,” she said. “They can also devote more resources to supporting reforms and innovation in the next EU budget. Perhaps most importantly, the EU can continue to foster economic cooperation between countries, while ensuring no new barriers are built between them.”
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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.... and making sense for once.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,035
Well he had been to visit the customs agents in Dover, so that's a point in his favour. I particularly noted his caveat '...hearing how they will be ready for Brexit on Day One, deal or no deal. But only if the Government listens to the experts.' An ugly lot they may be, but they do know what they're talking about.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Interesting interview with Tony Smith a previous head of Border Force for 'border control geeks'.
He talks of 'digital traveller credential', 'seamless travel' and also Irish Border towards end of interview (the last subject at 14.30) :-
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vix7wuzqmjl7iyd/SMITH.wav?dl=0"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I note that some one has been having Brexit practice on the A20 since yesterday tea time. yes they have put TAP in,traffic right back to the hawking turn off.
Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 450
It is the second time this week.. the chorus of lorry horns by Aycliffe has to be heard. It if all goes pear shape Aycliffe Estate will be forgotten..
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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according to a report in the daily express this morning, in the event of a no deal Brexit, the eu are considering sending food parsles to our food banks. fois grais and wine any one.
