Weird Granny Slater
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RHS biosecurity and plant health expert Dr Lisa Ward said: 'The introduction of pests and diseases could affect food security, destroy habitat, even collapse industries'.
Well, we've done the last two already, so it's only food security we need to see to now.
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Button
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I see the question of rules of origin (eg. how much of a car assembled here has to be sourced here too before it counts as a UK car) is filtering into the public domain at last. See
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54345882. The British Chambers of Commerce also have a 'dashboard' which includes the question, but the link to it is problematic.
This is a question that affects all our trade deals, not just one with the EU, and it falls into two parts. The first is the origin of components themselves - too many foreign components and the finished product doesn't count as British, so one could argue that this is an opportunity for the UK component industry. The second is how and who certifies the finished product as being British - the typical method being (wait for it) another piece of paper for the nice customs officer abroad. According to the BBC "The original Brexit deal negotiated by former PM Theresa May contained a route to minimise checks on what are known as "rules of origin". That option was removed as part of the revision to the withdrawal agreement a year ago." (Why am I not surprised?)
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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B, a practical (and philosophical) question for you. (Long since I worked in 'freight forwarding', so vague on the practical bit.) What constitutes a 'component'? Would it be, say, a complete car body, or each of the various bits of a car body (boot, bonnet etc), or each of the various bits of each of the various bits of a car body (a boot's metals, paint etc.)?
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Button- Location: Dover
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Granny, so far as I recall, it's anything and everything that goes into it - so yes, for a car it's right down to the metal.
The amount of non-UK bits and bobs that you can use and still describe the finished item as being of UK origin is usually limited by value - below an agreed percentage of the value of the finished item and you're OK, go above and you can't claim the finished item is UK in origin. So if, for example, you're planning on making mahogany tables in the UK and exporting them, you're going to have to watch the value of the wood you import, compared with the cost of the carpentry, varnish and so on.
At the moment, Rest of World countries treat EU components in UK products as being of UK origin themselves; the British Chambers of Commerce are keen to hear (from Liz Truss presumably) whether that will still be the case next year.
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Brian Dixon
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some thing fishy going on here.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It's the easiest deal in the world. Just ask David Davis.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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We were always going to give up fish; we knew it and they knew it. That's been the EU point, I think, to stop pretending and get it over and done with so that we can move on to the important stuff.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:We were always going to give up fish; we knew it and they knew it.
There's always a catch.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Things developing fast, it seems. Looks like a deal is now odds on favourite.
Bob Whysman
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Button wrote:There's always a catch.
You’re right Button! It’s trawl about the net gain.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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With everything else going on, the Agriculture Bill was quietly voted through the commons last night. Proof, if ever it were needed, that we remain on this government's course for Brexit at any cost. Putting American farmers ahead of British farmers was how one commentator described it.
Needless to say, our beloved Natalie acquiesced without murmur. Further up the coast one of the few remaining true Tories, Sir Roger Gale, stuck by his priniciples. So, after years of leading the EU in the quest for high food standards upheld by law, we now are asked to trust this bunch of untrustworthy careerists to maintain them for us. I wonder how the NFU and the others who campaigned so vigorously are feeling now.
The fisheries bill is the next to come back to MPs. That should be interesting too. Marine campaigners want stronger commitments from the government that future fishing quotas will be set in line with scientific advice.
Ministers insist that they will ensure future fishing limits are within the “maximum sustainable yield”, but that setting such a commitment in law would tie the hands of negotiators in the expected annual talks with the EU and other countries over shared fishing grounds.
The government is also resisting calls to require fishing vessels to carry monitoring equipment, in order to ensure they are landing their catch in line with the rules, and to end destructive fishing practices such as “bottom trawling” in marine protected areas. The con continues.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This is a microcosm of what will happen post Brexit. Without the EU to blame and obsess over, Tories will start turning in on themselves - it'll be the free marketeers in the cities vs. the protectionists in the shires.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Hm. UKMPG are persistent little buggers, aren't they; from back in 2/2019:
https://uk-ports.org/ukmpg-cost-bottlenecks/. (Compare with
http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/open-letter-from-doug-bannister,-ceo,-port-of-dove/13553/.)
Interesting that the perceived threat seems to be delays in manifesting or EU export procedures at busy EU ports (or perhaps incoming Transit ones at busy UK ports), rather than the whole 'gridlocked Kent' thingummy. Like the last time this came up, whilst it's prima facie cool to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket, some of these 'alternative' ferry routes are rather on the long side, meaning that the daily uplift capacity of a ferry working them is somewhat constrained and the benefit, how shall we say, somewhat marginal. Still, if it keeps Hull in ferries I guess they for one won't be complaining...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-54377287.
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Button- Location: Dover
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I've spotted 5 (temporary) Inland Border Facilities so far:
https://inlandborderfacilities.uk - which includes the opportunity to comment on them.
Including, for example, their names:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/calls-for-lorry-park-to-be-named-after-nigel-farage-235672/.
I'm surprised there isn't one near Portsmouth but, since I could've sworn that there were only 3 last night, perhaps it's on its way.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Time to get out without a deal
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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time to reclaim our fishing grounds, sod the french
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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My money is still on a deal, with both sides claiming a great victory.
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