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ray hutstone wrote:Just to introduce some reality back into things
To follow that introduction with a Guardian article that says "A breakdown in EU talks would cause more chaos than Britain can stand" is just wrong. Or even WRONG.
We have already gone over this ground; may I remind you that, on 9th February 2019, the Express published 'Dover MP DESTROYS Brexit border scaremongering - reveals WHY EU will CAVE into UK demands
TORY BREXITEER Charlie Elphicke [remember him?] has ridiculed scaremongering of Brexit no deal chaos and told the BBC why the EU leadership will eventually cave into British demands.'
So there!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1084806/Dover-MP-no-deal-border-Project-Fear-EU-Brussels-Seaborne-Freight.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It would be hard to find a better example of the BS that has been foisted upon the people of this country by their politicians and their media supporters on this subject. The sad thing is that the spineless Natalie is continuing in exactly the same vein.
Keith Sansum1
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Looks like govt wants a no deal
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Brian Dixon
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as predicted keith.
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We are probably on the same page on this Brian
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Boris hates making decisions. He'll just want the whole thing to go away. I think we'll get a deal still mind you - too much to lose on both sides of the Channel.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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After 4 and a half years of lying and inanity, Boris has dug himself into a large and unnecessary hole. By threatening to break the withdrawal agreement he's succeeded in removing what precious little trust there was between the 2 sides.
If he backs down now, he will unleash the wrath of the ERG and their media cohorts. If he doesn't back down, he'll make a situation already parlous through Covid into one twice as bad. Do I feel any sympathy for him? No. He's an arrogant, feckless poltroon who now has to resolve a quandary almost entirely of his own making. It wouldn't surprise me at all if (like Cummings) he chooses simply to bugger off at some time in the new year.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yeah sooner the better along with his blue friends.
Button- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:yeah sooner the better along with his blue friends.
I think you'll find that the Smurfs are still in the EU. Though I guess they could be transitioning.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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may be you are, but his blue mates are all london based and called elected mps. lol
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[QUOTE="Brian Dixon” .... button, TAP has been ongoing since yesterday lunch time, plus french custom trials at euro tunnel.so no fear then. [/QUOTE]
Perhaps relief could be on the way Brian?!
There are ports other than Dover, as the Irish have already discovered. The U.K. also has less cluttered ports that aren’t open to disruption by our French ‘friends.’
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/direct-sea-routes-to-europe-offer-certainty-in-choppy-brexit-waters-1.4421414
With the threat of increased road and ferry chaos post Brexit, it might be worth looking at the spare capacity in airports to fill some of the gaps until all the hysteria dies down.
I live under the Gatwick flight path and there has been a noticeable increase in freight flights since lockdown.
The higher costs may be comparable with the increased road/ferry costs using the current methods, but if not it may be a price worth paying to maintain supplies of vital products.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Interesting! It's an ill wind, etc. I guess the carriers think they can make money at it, even if capacity per unit time is not that great.
I was thinking, for GB to NI trade, that if Single Market infrastructure at Belfast were running late, then traffic could take the South Wales route, bother the Border Inspection Post at Dublin and then drive north.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ladies and gentlemen - I give you the latest piece of BS from the aptly named Peter Bone (head) when confronted with someone who actually knows the freight business on live TV. On well. Boris is scuttling off to Brussels. Will he have the cojones to make the right decision? I remain sceptical.
https://www.facebook.com/JonDanzigWrites/videos/298719834805810/Button- Location: Dover
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I'm not sure I get this voting business on the Internal Market Bill, specifically regarding the clauses that allegedly will/would have breached international law a smidge. HMG puts the clauses in and numerous Tory MPs say "yup, voting for them". The Lords take them out and the Tory MPs vote to reinstate them (repeat a few times). Finally, HMG offers and proceeds to take them out after all. All vote now - to rebel and keep them in, I assume? Unless Mr Gove has indeed agreed a cunning plan over checks (or the lack of them) on trade involving Northern Ireland.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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Just had this corker pointed out to me on Twitter
Weird Granny Slater
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Button wrote:'TORY BREXITEER Charlie Elphicke... told the BBC why the EU leadership will eventually cave into British demands.'
To think we'd now be calling him a prophet if he'd only got his words in the right order.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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not untill the fat lady sings................
Button- Location: Dover
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Anyone feel a fleeting sympathy for Mr Johnson? Pumpkin soup and scallops, then steamed turbot, mashed potatoes with wasabi and vegetables, followed by pavlova, exotic fruit and coconut sorbet. What was wrong with pizza again?
Anybody?
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well we are back to the long Q on the roads again but lets hope that is just to the new year
But the lorry parks will not help they will not be so big to take the amount of lorrys there is on the roads, we do need trains to come back ,that will take up to 50 HGV off the road in one hit and contains also can be used come down by train put on a contain ship and that will be the end of it even the lorrys can be put on more trains and bring back the train ferrys they can take the lorrys a across the water.
