Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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“There will be some people who like those Japanese soldiers who continued fighting the last war because no-one had told them it had ended in some Pacific island, who will carry on arguing and arguing and arguing. The rest of us, will just move on. Carry on, with the rest of our lives.”
Nick Clegg, turns out he wasn't talking about leave voters he was talking about you Ray!
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
All I can do is to point out the facts as they continue to emerge, Reggie. Just as Mel Stride was doing in the clip. If you can't understand them or find them unpalatable, then that's not my problem.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
if 3 days of parked lorries on the a20 is due to brexit, then it sucks. thats this week so far.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,921
BREAKING: Eurozone inflation comes in at 7.5% in March, an all-time high.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
a20 tap now in its 5 th day, is there going to be an end to it
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,026
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The UK missed a strong World trade upturn ahead of the Russian invasion due to a “disengagement from international” commerce, the Times has reported.
A £129.4 billion deficit in trade in goods widened to £155.4 billion last year – ten times what it was a quarter of a century ago – and one that is likely to grow given the surge in oil and imported gas prices.
Worries over the UK’s “disengagement from international trade” have also been highlighted by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).
While every other big economy member of the G7 has seen a recovery in trade intensity — trade as a proportion of GDP — from the low point of the Covid pandemic in 2020, the UK’s trade intensity is now down even from that nadir.
World trade in goods and services grew by a hefty 9.3 per cent in volume terms last year, according to the International Monetary Fund.
Yet UK exports of goods and services fell by 1.2 per cent on a balance of payments basis.
As such, the OBR is still sticking to its view that Brexit will result in a 15 per cent drop in the UK’s trade intensity.
Commenting on the results, David Smith said: “I do not blame Britain’s exporters for this malaise.
“We have some superb exporting businesses, but they are operating with one hand tied behind their backs and with notably less government help and support than competitor countries.
“I don’t think a new royal yacht, which the government is proposing to use as part of future export drives, will change that.
“It is too late to do anything about the main cause of this malaise: an economically damaging Brexit done in such a way that little or no thought was given to the consequences.
“As far as trade is concerned, things are panning out in the manner once stupidly dismissed as “Project Fear”. And we will be poorer as a result.”
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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“I don’t think a new royal yacht, which the government is proposing to use as part of future export drives, will change that."
Nothing sums this government up more than this.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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No effective oppostion. And why we will be heading for yet more difficulties.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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ray hutstone wrote:No effective oppostion. And why we will be heading for yet more difficulties.
Well, ineffective opposition is one thing, but after Gordon Brown's Bigotgate and Labour's incomprehensible Brexit policy, no way was he going to criticise what the majority of (enfranchised) voters (who expressed a preference) opted for.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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They really are overthinking this. Brexit is done, and it isn't going to be reversed. But you can still attack the government for making a shambles out of it. Blimey, you could turn it into a virtue - Government promised us the moon and the starts, and so far everyone is losing. Just say it! Attack the government in its own backyard. Put simply, it is not, and can never be the fault of people who voted for Brexit.....it is the government for messing it up.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Mind you, Lord Frost seems to think that Ray is agitating for just such a reverse...
I shall have to tune in to him on my secret radio.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Neil Moors wrote:They really are overthinking this. Brexit is done, and it isn't going to be reversed. But you can still attack the government for making a shambles out of it. Blimey, you could turn it into a virtue - Government promised us the moon and the starts, and so far everyone is losing. Just say it! Attack the government in its own backyard. Put simply, it is not, and can never be the fault of people who voted for Brexit.....it is the government for messing it up.
Not entirely with you on this one, Neil. The referendum made no mention of leaving the single market and customs union. Had that been stipulated with absolute clarity on the ballot paper, then I believe a significant percentage of people would have voted differently. Instead the country has been forced up a long blind alley by the ERG and their ilk and a shambolic Brexit was presided over by Laughing Boy mainly as a means of climbing the greasy pole he always coveted.
I've very little doubt that we will rejoin the market at some point. As every day goes by, the sheer folly of being out of it becomes more and more apparent. Even Thatcher realised that.
As for the whisky salesman Frost, I doubt that history will treat him kindly. Whatever he says, pretty much the opposite is more likely to be correct.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,002
If we had some bread we could make bread and jam, if we had some jam.
As for Frost, as politicos go, he's a good 'un, and earns multiple
's from me for helping to force the exit from covid insanity.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I will slightly qualify my remarks - when I say it isn't going to be reversed, I mean any time soon and I quite agree about the customs union - nobody was even asking for that!
I'd be interested to hear from Brexiteers among us for an objective view as to whether it is/is not achieving what they thought it would?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,796
I am a 'Brexiteer' who voted out who never fully understood why those in favour of staying liked being dictated to by a bunch of foreigners. I have not changed my mind we managed very well before joining the EU and am confident that given the chance will again.
Whether it has been a good or bad thing is difficult to judge because of Covid which changed our way of living so much.
BTW Spain is still filling our supermarket shelves with their tasteless c**p while the produce from the Continent of Africa has been very tasty.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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"Dictated to by a bunch of foreigners"
What a wonderful choice of phrase. Sums it all up really.
Every PM from MacMillan to Cameron recognised the benefits of co-operating with Europe. We were leaders within the community and never dictated to. Here's your chance to provide some examples of detrimental EU decisions that have been foisted upon us. Share your wisdom, please.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,026
Neil Moors wrote:I'd be interested to hear from Brexiteers among us for an objective view as to whether it is/is not achieving what they thought it would?
Although I class myself as neither a Brexiteer nor a Remainer (and don't know the current definition of either), here is HMG's view, as at 01/2022, of the Benefits of Brexit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-benefits-of-brexit.
As for detrimental EU decisions foisted upon us, I guess any legislation that the UK voted against but was out-voted and had no opt-out from implementation. The Port Services Regulation is one such (I only mention it because I happened across it during the "P&O" debate). Thinking about it, there may well be stuff that we wanted and voted for, but were out-voted by Member States against.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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ray hutstone wrote:
Share your wisdom, please.
I can't be bothered as whatever I post would be wrong and I find my latest computer game much more stimulating for my seemingly ignorant little grey cells.
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