Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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For Brittan New party
Any news on policy yet apart from stopping Islam and mass migration ??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Never heard of it Keith.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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its the Irish girl that lost the UKIP election
Weird Granny Slater
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Would that be Baron Brittan of Spennithorne? Thought he died a while back.
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Ross Miller
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this seems to be the lot you are talking about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Britain
Not sure that getting a ringing endorsement from Tommy Robinson is doing them any favours
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Brian Dixon
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seems to be a mirror image of Britain first.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:seems to be a mirror image of Britain first.
And EDL, both have seen their support dwindle to almost nothing over the last two years, only so many Mosques to throw a packet of bacon at. Many signed up with UKIP in order to get an anti Islam leader as head of a respectable party. If they had succeeded that would have been the end of UKIP so now they hope this new party will reflect their views.
Keith Sansum1
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In the real world without a shadow of doubt UKIP at the time changed the political landscape,
yes that's me saying it,,,,,,
but there time is up, they have now come to a brick wall, support has gone,
there best to pack up and engage in other ways
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Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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anyone watch the 'far right' doc. on Tv the other night - usual lib drivel , but interesting to see that there's now quite a few 'middle class student types' joining in - views?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Didn't see it myself but prior to the Referendum I read about young academic types in Germany that were anti the EU and the currency whilst here it is mainly the over the 60s and not normally well educated that hold the same view.
John Buckley
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Some support for UKIP may well have dwindled Keith, but they haven't gone away and bearing in mind the likely cave in on the "divorce bill" ( and I really hope that I'm wrong on that particular matter! ) a resurgence of support may occur. Where else do the electorate and those keen on a proper Brexit turn to if and when the negotiations become the " let's give the EU whatever they want" charade? Labour or the Lib Dims? I don think so.
Martina, you are right about the "usual lib drivel" regarding that so called " far right " programme the other night. All the time the government completely fail to address the issue or listen to people's concerns about the growth and take over by Islamists then they can expect, like it or not, opposition to that becoming more vocal and possibly extreme.
But don't forget that we shouldn't worry as we've already been told by a previous failed prime minister that apparently Islam is the " religion of peace "! Try selling that one to the numerous people caught up world wide on a daily basis by atrocities perpetrated by those acting in the name of Islam.
We all know and understand that the vast majority of muslims are of course peaceful people and just want to get on with their lives the same as all of us, but you can't get away from the fact that not all muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslim!
It's a dilemma eh?
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Mr Buckley, in Northern Ireland during the troubles, I bet that 100% of the terrorists were Christians. The difficulty I have with your argument is the conflation of religion and politics/junta-ism. Religion(s) are used as a smoke-screen for the those seeking the hegemonic ascendancy.
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I agree with you in part Bish.
Possibly the guys at the top who pull the strings and call the shots etc., know what they're doing and use the power of religion to indoctrinate the thicko masses into their way of thinking. But you can't escape from the fact that those actually carrying out the atrocities ( and there are lots of them!) are religious fanatics and are prepared to commit horrendous acts in the name of their religion. Presumably that's why they prey before they embark on their foul missions and call out "God is great" at the time of attack? Can you really say that religion is completely blameless in any of this? ( if indeed you are )
As I said before, it's a dilemma eh?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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John/bishop
Its fair to say times are moving on and GOVTS and do gooders need to address how we are to solve the issues we presently face.
Without doubt the rise of the far right has only been able to happen because govt's have not taken the issue seriously enough.
Without doubt a small amount of muslims are terrorists, very misguided and when you listen to leading muslims they states groupssuch as ISIS wont attend there services as they want to brainwash people in killing innocent people.
Looking at the appeal system on people coming into the country and terrorists found guilty is a issue When it takes as long as it did to deport the geezer with the hook hand it shows we are getting it wrong.
But we also need to address police getting respect
Teachers being able to teach without parents undermining them
plus so much more.
Society has changed so much not for the good either.
I'm sounding a bit like a conservative lol
rant over
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Well I'd certainly like to know what a 'middle class student type' is. I was in universities for 17 years (as student and manager) and I've never come across an example of one of these. Nigerian nurses - yes, ex-cons retraining as lawyers - yes, Chinese managers - yes, drunken philosophers - yes, intemperate geographers offloading the contents of their handbags into my lap - yes. You get the point.
So unless it means 'someone from a middle class background who is a student' (which is so vague as to be virtually meaningless for anything other than statistical purposes) or perhaps 'someone who looks like a student but isn't one really' (but then students are anything from grunge to besuited) my guess is that the term was being used to lend intellectual credibility to something that has none.
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Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Didn't see it myself but prior to the Referendum I read about young academic types in Germany that were anti the EU and the currency whilst here it is mainly the over the 60s and not normally well educated that hold the same view.
oh I dunno, sure plenty of younger people voted Leave, and a lot of clever types too - in fact, having a degree makes bugger all difference as I've never seen a course offered in 'Pros and Cons of Leaving EU@
Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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The Bishop wrote:Mr Buckley, in Northern Ireland during the troubles, I bet that 100% of the terrorists were Christians. The difficulty I have with your argument is the conflation of religion and politics/junta-ism. Religion(s) are used as a smoke-screen for the those seeking the hegemonic ascendancy.
All jihadis - always immigrants or sons of immigrants - proper vetting and control of numbers needed
and mods, I just accidently 'reported' my own post,so please ignore thanks
Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Well I'd certainly like to know what a 'middle class student type' is.
they are usually the tossers who vote for Jezza and hang out in Brighton
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Martina wrote:they are usually the tossers who vote for Jezza and hang out in Brighton
Good to see you bring a measured response to the debate Martina.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Martina, #17 thanks for self-reporting. However, to save yourself the trouble, why not just not post polemic diatribes in the first place?
Perhaps this might allay your fears of emigrants:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2iom1b
Perhaps this might allay your fears of immigrants:
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.