Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Wonderful irony in the headline of the article!!
I understand that Mike has been whisked away to a secret location in a safe house to be debriefed by a crack team of Green interrogators. Once he has given the info on where the bodies are buried he will be free to move on to the tree hugging course.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Bob/Howard,
its without doubt a major coup for the local Green party
But His reason's are way off the mark.
Whilst leader of labour he was a bully, and a control freak.
I think in time (if he stays) the Green party will regret this latest move.
I do wonder though with labour in turmoil even before this episode, and he not appearing to have that many buddies inside or outside the party on political lines, if he was aware that May is soon here and he may not get selected/elected.
I recall after meeting in Deal I was getting a lift home and in a car park he was heard screaming across at me. I refused to speak until he calmed(he didn't) so I went back to the car
Does he sound like a guy who is bullied?
I do realise people can change, i'm not convinced in this case, I just think he's finishing his time till May
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I don’t agree with you Keith .I got on well with Mike,he was always respectful to me.He has a good brain and I hope he will continue to bring sense to debates.I think the local Labour are falling out with each other.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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You don't have to agree Sue, that's what the forum's all about,
I was you recall in the group.
And saw it first hand.
Whilst I left the party 8 or 9 years ago, I couldn't ever join another party(even though I had approaches from other parties) your either a Socialist or not.
but I do understand not everyone is the same.
I have a lot of time for those individuals in the green party locally who do work hard but get little recognition, I work closely on a number of bodies with one or more of them
I just hope they don't have to regret todays decision
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Never met the chap but I'm confused as to the allegations of bullying. Did he fall out with the local momentum wallahs?
As far as the Greens are concerned, Martin Whybrow is not a man to accept fools gladly. He's a self-made man with a hugely successful business behind him. He's done very well to carve out his political career too under such adverse circumstances.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sue Nicholas wrote:I think the local Labour are falling out with each other.
Most of local Labour Councillors (apart from the Gang of Five who have now seen off both Eddy AND Walker) don't realise what is happening and even the Gang don't realise they are the fall guys for a bigger project and being manipulated by someone who is not even an elected councillor.
The chaos has only just started.
I TOLD Charlotte it was looking like rain the other week and that Walker was only the first rain drops....
"like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children" - Jacques Mallet du Pan
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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My info says that Sid Pollitt is playing the role of Rasputin in this farce and that most women person councillors are sharing the role of Lady Macbeth. The local Labour party are imploding at a time they should be pulling together. Boundary changes make it a lot easier for Charlie to walk it next time especially if there is no opposition party ready to challenge him.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Cowan, Pollitt, Bannister, Keen and Jones.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I agree with the last 4
there are a few others
but i'm interested who this guy or girl is outside the group.
Having met Charlotte I'm not sure she has her finger on the pulse
but as Howard says not having an effective opposition is tragic not just for Labour
but also those struggling on who to vote for in next Mays elections
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Like Keith I agree with the last four.Sadly the two people with good brains have left,sad day for local Labour.They should be working together .Mind you fromMy ivory tower I always realised a certain person was the fly in the ointnment.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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As an outsider reading a lot of various comments, is this about the local extreme left getting rid of those who are more tolerant and open minded or those they simply do not like.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Maybe the two councillors who have left have more brain power.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Maybe the two councillors who have left have more brain power.
Not difficult. When I mentioned Machiavelli to one of the 'Gang of Five' at last week's council meeting he thought I was talking about a sort of pasta.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain - for once you've brought a smile to my face. I'll never read The Prince in the same light again.
Just for my curiosity, are the aforementioned bods Momentum supporters or is it a more local power grab? Please forgive my ignorance.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The thing that pi$$es me off about all this is not so much what has happened to Mike (as leader one can always expect a palace coup bubbling under) but how Peter Walker has been treated.
He is a clever, humble and honest man who had retired after giving years of service in public service in which he was well respected and has always acted quietly and conscientiously in council doing what he thought best for the electorate. I never though of him particularly 'Labour' or indeed 'political'. I sometimes disagreed with him but always respected his views.
The accusation of 'racism' was farcical and I suspect he will have found it deeply hurtful.
It was only brought up, months after the event, to get him suspended so he could not put his hat in the ring for next year's elections post boundary reorganisation.
His treatment was beyond shameful.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Hi bob
Although I agree with some of your comments obviously you have been very public on distaste for the bully(sorry I mean Mr Eddy lol)
Peter wasn't liked in some areas around his ward but I suppose you could say that about many politicians
Looking at Labour I don't think they have got the message yet.
3 cllrs now departed should be sending alarm
Bells to labour
Iv met some of there leading lights at different meetings and they talk the talk but action is another thing.
Charlotte I'm sure is a lovely lady but at a recent meeting fell short of expectations
At a time when your party is so unpopular Bob labour should be piling on the pressure
Looking to be the next government
Instead as usual they will stumble to the next election win a few gains here and there
Your lot will get in again sadly
Unless Labour reorganised itself Labour won't be in number 10 for years
Labour is reliant locally on Charlotte achieving what she achieved in Canterbury
But Dover isn't the same
She's also reliant on your lot not reinstating
Charlie
That's about the only way I can see labour having very an outside chance of winning Dover
Iv spoken to activists in the green party of course it's a great gain for them
But they should be wary of just letting anyone join. Today's positive picture can soon change
Maybe Labour in Dover Deal are in meltdown
But they don't seem to learn lessons
I warned them of standing unknowns in priory they still did
I warned them of putting up unknowns in Buckland but there answer we have to fill all the seats
This as I warned could backfire on them
It did
Oh well
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Guest 2893- Registered: 29 Sep 2018
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I’m sure Captain Bob would have had something to say about hypocrisy if Labour had not responded firmly to the use of racist language at a formal meeting. You know, there isn’t an excuse for using that word. I’m a similar age to the Captain and to Walker, and it’s been unacceptable in nursery rhymes, metaphors and general speech since I was a teenager. To argue that 2 unrelated metaphors, one involving domestic fuel and the other referencing a children’s counting game via an Agatha Christie Murder-Mystery, somehow got confused makes no sense.
The claim that the woodpile incident is months ago is false. The claim that Labour is in meltdown likewise. Labour is getting ready to fight the elections next May by selecting candidates and by visiting voters on the doorstep every weekend. . Keith has been banging on about his perception of Labour failures since he won a by election to the Town Council. He’s very well known in his area, so I’m sure that his voters will have known what they were getting. The problem with non party candidates is that you don’t know where they stand on issues that matter. For example UKIP members stood for the Town Council in 2014 as Independents. It’s quite true that some Labour, (and Tory too) councillors go rogue. But that is the system we have which gives no right of recall except by a councillor with a conscience.
Labour intends to focus on important issues which the Tories at District have completely failed their electorate on. Labour has important and self financing plans to increase council owned housing which DDC has shamefully allowed to almost disappear, to to ensure that private rented housing is regulated effectively so renters can be sure if a fair deal. Another area Tories have shamefully neglected. Dover town centre will actually get money spent on it to turn it into a place to be proud of, and which attracts tourists. Tory DDC have said they will do this and then done nothing. I could go on but I will save other details for another day.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I have read with interest the posts of Bob.I agree with his comments Peter very professional unassuming man.How dreadful to get rid of him in this way.Keiths comments very childish the old ways are still there.Calling the opposition.”Your lot”Not very grown up .Cllr Wood a Town Councillor being a spokes person (( must get that politically correct).Im sure she is a very educated lady however I can tell her I spent six years as portfolio holder for housing .Until recently Councils were not allowed to spend HRA money on building new homes.DDC worked very well with Housing Associations to provide much needed housing.During my tenure I opened several housing complexes .In the private sector the grants were increased .Council properties were renovated .
I recall sitting at a meeting when rents were discussed.Some of the Labour councillors were unaware the rents paid for repairs thus if rents were not increased repairs would be less,
I visited. Many many homes and realised that there was only so much that could be done .When budgets are fixed some money is ringfenced. I.e.income from car parking would not be used for housing .I find it odd for a Town Councillor to make comments on DDC matters.
Keith you make remarks which are just as bad as some of the comments made by Bob and Peter.
I recall being called “Rusty Head “when I changed my hair colour.I was also called “Widow Twanky”But I did not make a complaint and those councillors were not suspended.
I like to think Im a grown up and goodness knows I have had to be strong in Council on any occassions.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Quite interesting I did a reply that didn't appear
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