Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
Sounds like you're quite like the man, Knew we could rely on your support.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,008
Brian Dixon wrote:i see corbyn and his leftie mates are getting there knickers in a twist, all so showing there colours.damm traitors,
Come on, BD, don't keep us waiting. Are they in the Tower? On the rack? Lost their heads? Hung, drawn and quartered? Burned at the stake? What's it all about?
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Reginald Barrington wrote:Sounds like you're quite like the man, Knew we could rely on your support.
Interesing use of the 1st person plural there, Reggie. Surely you've not adopted the 'royal we'? Or perhaps you've become a card carrying party member or are you speaking for the rest of the country?
Sorry but I can't support a mountebank and I'm long enough in the tooth to know one when I see one. Does that bother you? I can't imagine for a moment why it would.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Getting back to the opposition .
Who will replace Starmer when they lose?
Will he leave after first defeat or go the full 5 defeats
Will he go or will he be pushed ?
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
Sorry Ray, that was supposed to read you quite, not you're quite. I didn't mean to be that insulting.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
I'm fascinated by your lack of optimism, Keith. I thought you were Labour through and through. Are you a full on Corbyn fan? I'm genuinely interested.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
neil, keith turned traitor and jumped ship, now a tory independant.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Neil
I was active in labour for 25 years on county District and town councils
Even won a seat in a Tory stronghold !
I left labour around 9 years ago they really got worse as the years went on..
They were at the time closest to my views .
I could never support a Tory govt ..
But I won't just blindly support an opposition , with policies that just. Prop up a govt ..
Starmer may well come good , but it's not looking likely .
I'm
I'm happy to let you know
Sadly some in labour locally have taken the viewpoint that because you can no longer support labour that you are a Tory .
If you know my past(those beliefs remain unchanged )
I organised and was part of many picket lines and fighting in many unions .
In my eyes there still is a working class , different from when I started out in politics , but it's still out there
Locally labour , I had a big decision to make around three years ago when locally labour decided to stand an unknown in the ward , being fed up of trying to get politicians involved in the community assoc
I asked if they would stand a well known lab person who served on the assoc
And I would get behind him and prob win
The reply was no my friends standing and that's it .
So I had to decide what to do so I spoke to a number of people in the ward , in a seat I made safe labour over the years had become marginal , locals were urging me to stand .
After a lot of thinking , and labour unwilling to listen I stood as a community representative .
Labour told me they would win anyway .
I thought the two big party machines would stop me but at least I would have made a point and things may change .
Once I announced I was standing I was amazed
Followers of Ukip , labour , Tory, churches , and locals all asked if they could deliver my leaflet
(I wasn't going to do one )
So very quickly I had to produce one and reached every house .through this support .
The result astounded even me
I win by 130 voted and labour came third !
So I served the 2 years on the town council
Run by Indies and Tories which were poor and the labour opposition wasn't much better.
But I served my two years challenging the administration ,and opposition
Unlike political party point scoring which goes on today .
The indy party was happy to see cllr suspended with labour support in the indy mayor's word who clearly had an axe to grind with the chap .
So believing in fairness I represented him.
Now the same indy has a crusade of opposing everything labour as the admin does.
That's double standards .
Brian recently told me labour win by 100 seats
I don't share that view as you known
I think I'm like a lot of locals now that can't support a second rate Tory party that doesn't want open debate (look at the shutting down of any discussion on Israel )
It appears now if you have an alternative view you get suspended or kicked out
That's not a party I can support .
I have said labour has a problem now , it can get itself elected by carrying on with Tory policies
Being a second rate Tory party is not what we or I want .
That said it's going to be interesting now as labour self destructs and the lefties move towards opposing labour
I have to say during the previous general election campaign , the way Corbyn was treated by the media was expected , but leading MPs like Watson clearly campaigned against him , some even going to the press to tell people to vote Tory rather than Corbyn
Those people shouldnt be in the party.
So I left around 9 years ago one as a conflict of interest at the time , but also lost faith.
I kept out for 7, years .
Still encouraging all cllrs representing ward to come to communicate centre with little success
Anyway Niel you did ask lol
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,008
Labour MP (Siobhain McDonagh, I believe) finally finds a use for a face mask:
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
Blimey, thanks for the post, Keith! I can quite see why you fell out of love with it , and I get the context now. Anyone who wants to stand up for their community and who supports the mighty DAFC gets my vote
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,020
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,977
Go for it Vic!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Neil
I could have done pages more but you did ask .
I have followed Dover FC since the 60s through the good and bad times .
I'm supportive of any thing to improve Dover , but openly critical if the need arises.
One humorous thing ........
Sue will know I was asked to stand for labour in a Tory stronghold seat as a paper candidate .
It was such a stronghold even the labour group had written the seat off .
During the campaign diesel Johnny those who know him told me the Tory candidate had fallen out with the party.
John Ullman said he would put my labour placards on farms
It appeared open warfare was going on in the local Tory party.
With 3 candidates (an unknown lib dem stood)
It was announced the lib dem had won by 200
A shock in itself
I asked the labour agent if he could check the result as I would find it amazing if the lib dem won
After re checking the returning officer called candidates and apologised and said they got some of the lab and lib dem votes muddled up and lab had actually won by 200
Do I went to county hall labour group who said they had written the seat off and were now having to re do all the committee's as the result affected how many cllrs sat on each committee
The returning officer was apologetic all night lol
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well sir that two votes I have already I am on the way no party this on my own,(Or am I}
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Back to Labour labour and the topic heading
Niel
You obviously are desperate for change and not seeing Scotland , Wales slipping away and little breakthroughs .
On top of this infighting anyone speaking out.
As unpopular as Tories are
The blue rinse brigade will turn out
Where labours work force usually on the left have left
So those on the right don't have the same insight
And with all the lefties leaving
It will have an effect on result
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Suspending Corbyn will keep them out 25 years
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,819
Keith Sansum1 wrote:Suspending Corbyn will keep them out 25 years
Maybe not considering how Corbyn was partly responsible for the troubles they now seem to have, extremism is never a good idea for any party.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
Exactly Jan, ridding the party of Corbyn and his supporters is the best chance for the party to rebuild and be in with a chance of winning an election.
Which is why I've signed the petition to reinstate corbyn:
https://r.ippl.es/corbyn/Arte et Marte
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,032
Keith Sansum1 wrote:Suspending Corbyn will keep them out 25 years
You were saying that
before he was suspended!
(Not my real name.)
