Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
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Blair? Callaghan? Wilson?
The winners damaged Labour, not the losers.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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First, you have to be a winner
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:First, you have to be a winner
So true. For Labour to make a difference, if first has to be in power. That *looks* like it may just happen soon!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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So as you Bern quiet Neil , let's tease out your comments .
The majority want this govt out, this we share .
But to ask people to blindly vote for your party who has in the past let it down , not for many I'm afraid .
Locals want to know as unions , as workers, as individuals they will be supported
Under Starmer they are clearly showing even if they did get In we will just see a weaker version of what we are seeing today
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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My simple analysis:
If you look at the electorate, a tiny percentage will be to the very far Tory right. Conversely, a similar number will be to the very far Labour left. The majority will be somewhere between. It's that majority who, it would appear, have had enough of this government. Every so often a political cycle runs its course and I think that's where we are now. Time for change.
Where you are right is that increasingly, that majority will start looking at Starmer and saying ok, right, if you are going to be the next PM, what do you stand for? And I think he'll have answers for that.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Have just read the article Ray posted, and this sums it up rather well:
"Starmer’s base is not among politics fans who wear their colours with tribal pride. It is the quiet voters in the middle who are tired of ideological adventures and polarising spectacle. He can satisfy a taste for government that is benignly boring and doesn’t induce despair or eye-rolling dismay."
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
Over time I think to are getting towards what Labour is really about.
It's no longer a party wishing to stick up for workers , Starmer himself is by his comments anti union .
Together this doesn't bode well.
Ok so if your happy to just sit back and allow Labour to go into number ten with the above thoughts on mind that's great .
Many more though want a party that represents them.
So really those not in the Middle England vote can only look forward to much the same as they have had for the last 13 years .
It's sad reflection of where we are today, no longer recognising the party that used to be for workers
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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My own view (and hope) is that this version of the Labour party is the version that can win power. Once it takes up government, it can drive the agenda more towards where you want to see it, Keith. But gently as we go and all that.
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Neil Moors wrote:My own view (and hope) is that this version of the Labour party is the version that can win power. Once it takes up government, it can drive the agenda more towards where you want to see it, Keith. But gently as we go and all that.
Well, very gently then. Having read the various manifestos and voted accordingly, I'll be expecting the sugar I ordered, not salt. Possibly not the best analogy, but you catch my drift, I hope.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I do, Button. Strikes, for example - I wouldn’t expect to see Starmer waving a placard on a picket line….but I would expect him to be clear that public sector workers would get the rise they need and deserve.
victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
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The reds will only get in if the blues wish it.If I was a red I would not want the power right now , better times ahead let the blues work this one out then the reds can go for it.Only my way of thinking and I could be very wrong.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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You can't call them reds any more
The party that deserted it's members
They will get in as the Tories have given up
This is about what kind of labour will it be
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Wow, this C17th poem is so prescient it could have been written yesterday.
A child analyses the British political landscape, in the similitude of a dream:
I dreamt I saw a line,
It stretchit left to right,
And on the line the people sat,
All huddled 'gainst the night.
Some pits were at the ends
For the nasty red and blue,
'Cause all the decent people were
A beigey kind of hue.
And the baddies were in office,
And the goodies all outside,
But a Guardian said a lawyer
Shall come to turn the tide.
He will wear an anorak
And that will be his sign,
And he will make the baddies go,
And the beigies all align.
Then the beigies they looked up,
And the beigies they felt strong,
'Cause in the sky a Keith appeared
And happiness was come.
And then it was my breakfast
So Mummy pulled my toes,
But I know there's a happy land
Where all the beigies goes.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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While all the local Conservatives offer is Coffee Mornings.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Button- Location: Dover
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Mike Tapp tweets: "It's infuriating that other towns and cities get to use "#LevellingUpFund" to improve their town centres, whilst #Dover has to use it to plug the holes in KCC finances after over a decade of mismanagement and failure to improve the road infrastructure" in response to the news that £45m has been allocated for Dover [Port] to improve the flow of traffic from the UK to the EU – with more border control points and a new exit route to help the port operate more efficiently and reduce congestion on local roads. Oh dear!
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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he makes a good point town needs it more though.
Button- Location: Dover
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The point about odd uses of Levelling Up funds is fair enough, but to link Port of Dover infrastructure with KCC finances or track record is just plain weird.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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He's not the smartest is he. The entry requirements for the Intellligence Corps must have been lowered.
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Talking of lowered intelligence....
Button and John Buckley like this"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
