Weird Granny Slater
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The Guardian: '
The British public’s trust in the media has fallen off a cliff in the last five years.'
Shakespeare: '
This news which is called true is so like an old tale, that the verity of it is in strong suspicion.'
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/16/leftwing-voters-lead-decline-in-trust-in-uk-news-media
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Following yesterday's (remotely conducted) High Court hearing, a judicial review of the Foreign Secretary's (Dominic Raab) and Northants Police's handling of the death of Harry Dunn and the USAs/FCOs whisking away of the 'diplomat' Anne Sacoolas (see posts #5 and #6) will take place this autumn. Raab will be looking at a charge of obstructing the police investigation into the death.
Predictably the BBC not only continues to bury online reports of this nationally important case in its local news section, but also framed the latest one as a defeat for Harry Dunn's family ('High Court rejects bid to disclose 'secret agreement'), whereas the court actually determined there was already disclosure enough to decide the claim.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-53096466
On the eve of the hearing Harry Dunn's mother and his twin brother received disingenuous cut and pasted letters of 'support' from witless PM de Pfeffel, some 10 months after the motorcyclist's death.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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BBC online allows Harry Dunn a rare front-page appearance. Realising this is looking increasingly like it'll end very badly indeed for the FCO, Raab and Johnson, the broadcaster is now edging itself towards the 'right' side of the argument, even using the substantial 'weight' of establishment journo John Simpson in this piece to acknowledge that the immunity claim is a 'palpable absurdity'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-53132168'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Brian Dixon
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send in a hit squad to bring her back here.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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We should offer Assange in exchange.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Looks like the Press has got to you too, P.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Actually I think Prince (Randy) Andy would be a better candidate for a swap.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The Harry Dunn case is an excellent example of the best, and worst, of our journalists. Harry Cole, from the Mail on Sunday has led a brilliant campaign for justice for Harry, yet was the very same journalist who penned the ludicrous front page headline about Keir Starmer buying a field! If only we had more of the former and less of the latter.
Guest 3706- Registered: 21 Jul 2020
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Think the press are to be supported. Not only in the world where platforms (Google and Facebook) have erored their ability to make money, report on local affairs (and support local initiatives/causes) and pay journalists, and other media workers, who by and large will have signed the Editors' Code of Conduct.
A cautionary tale in all this is the Nazis. Yep, they did a grand job of creating this thing called "Lying Press" - Trump knows where to look when making his attacks - nazi germany.
WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/the-ominous-nazi-era-precedent-to-trump-s-fake-news-attacks-1.5438960
A Brief History of 'Lügenpresse,' the Nazi-era Predecessor to Trump's 'Fake News'
Used in World War I to attack enemy propaganda, the phrase 'lying press' resurfaced under the Nazis and during the 2014 anti-immigrant movement in Germany is now staple of Trump's rhetoric
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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So, basically, anyone cautious about the press is a Nazi or a Trumpian. Or both. Do you work for The Guardian?
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
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I trust none of the media especially the press who all have their own agenda, like many of those who post on this forum. We all have to try and sift through what we read and hopefully reach the truth or somewhere near.
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Guest 3706- Registered: 21 Jul 2020
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:So, basically, anyone cautious about the press is a Nazi or a Trumpian. Or both. Do you work for The Guardian?
Not saying that, just saying the era of "fake news" and "lying press" and don't trust journalists is not new, and has come around again in a time when there are monopoly actors, and is a clear swing to the right and isolationism in the world.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The state of the UK press is a shambles right now. Zero holding the Government to account. Government "look over there" tactics are lapped up without question and as a country we are the worse for it. Very frustrating.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Private Eye is always a good read.
Judith Roberts likes this
Keith Sansum1
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Trouble is the local express had Findley as it's editor coming from the sun he sensationalised everything and put any candidates off standing for councils with his continued attack on some political persons
Although he left Tories alone which says a lot in itself
The press in general I have to say like a lot of people I don't buy papers
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Pablo wrote:Private Eye is always a good read.
Now, if you'd written 'was' I'd have agreed. Under Hislop it's become increasingly safe.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Certainly better under Ingram. But I don’t think they could stand that level of legal costs any more!
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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#35 - Now Keith, you ,In your Labour days were the administration when Simon Finlay was editor. He took no prisoners from any party if he sniffed a story .
He certainly pulled around an ailing newspaper, increased circulation & had the public reading his headlines & many times supporting the sentiments. He also trained many young journalists who went on to greater things.
Even now the politicians at Maidstone Borough are jumping around because of his journalistic style & thoroughness.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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DFL wrote:Not saying that, just saying the era of "fake news" and "lying press" and don't trust journalists is not new, and has come around again in a time when there are monopoly actors, and is a clear swing to the right and isolationism in the world.
If a dealer delivered your new car minus headlights, then delivered its replacement minus headlights, then delivered its replacement minus headlights, would you request another replacement, assume cars no longer needed headlights or go elsewhere?
It's not a case of not trusting journalists; it's a case of opening your mind but staying on guard, and having the same critical attitude to any source (e.g. the platforms of your 'monopoly actors'). On balance, I'm happier with freelance journalists; too often the salaried ones' belief in their independence of mind and questing spirit is a self-deluded product of their institutional cultures (the BBC's a good example; as Chomsky told Andrew Marr: 'You wouldn't be working here if you didn't believe that.')
As regards 'fake news', I find myself fact-checking the BBC's fact-checking service and finding it wanting. You can learn as much about the nature of a source from what it leaves out as from what it puts in.
But you'll have to explain what 'a clear swing to the right and isolation in the world' even mean, as I'm sure I don't know. And you'll need to define what you mean by 'right', too.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Paul w
Not correct
Although as iv said I had his journalists following me for 25 years how boring lol
Both private and council life
He hounded labour out
But was far nicer to the incoming administration
Your lot lol
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus