howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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most of us have been watching the terrible scenes in kiev in recent weeks and thought this can't be happening here in modern day europe.
the president has "legged it" at last so ordinary ukrainians are rejoicing and have been having a look inside the former president's country estate.
take a look at this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26307745Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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This basket case will be fast tracked into the EU , more open doors .
The uk taxpayers will be poring in cash to subsidies there gas bills when the Russians starts charging them the market rate for gas
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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No such thing as modern, Howard. Human nature means that this has and will always go on regardless of the date. Expect a sovereign default over the next few months. Then things will really start to go pear shaped.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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valid points from kb and philip, this is all about the gas pipelines for russia and the west.7
the average ukrainian just wants their country to move forward and the previously opposition politicians seem to hold this view.
back in the real world we have mr putin who will not let anything stand in his way and the eu/nato determined to stop him for er erm humanitarian purposes.
Brian Dixon
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about the same view as gay rights then.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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uncertainty sets in with different factions wanting to fill the political vacuum.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26318058Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The EU parliament is going to give the new government 20 billion Euros .
Just to start them of .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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'the sabre rattling has started, rather ironic that putin refers to minorities needing protection after brian's comments in post 5.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/24/russia-ukraine-west-yanukovichGuest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Chancellor Osborne has already promised to empty Britain's bankrupt Treasury out in Kiev.
Two men in white coats springs to mind.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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things very chaotic now, doubtless the russians are involved in this as they believe crimea should come under them.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/ukraine-pro-russian-gunmen-seize-crimea-parliament-live-updatesBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Ironic really when you consider that the EU were partly responsible for this mess in Ukraine and one of the side effects might be a massive rise in our gas bills which, incidentally, is also due in part to the EU who insisted that we shut down our coal energy sector to save the planet from warming.
It reminds me of one of those suicide cults which gained popularity in the 1970's.
What fun.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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lost me there philip where do the eu and dave fit in with the problems in ukraine?
on your second point there has been very little coal mined since the scargill/thatcher unpleasantness many years ago.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Yeah I know what you mean, that was silly. I've since edited that last post.
Although there has been a separatist movement in Ukraine for many years it just seems to me that as of late the EU encouraged this further still and gave hope to those demonstrating against the government who were, by the way, legitimately elected into office. Refering to our coal energy sector I meant our coal fired power plants which have to shut down because of the EU coal directive or whichever directive it is.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The problem is the Russian Naval bases in the Crimea and the substantial Russian ethnic population on the so-called Russian Riviera, both of which Moscow will ensure remain under their control and protection, using armed force against their neighbour if neccessary. Obviously if Ukraine gets closer to the EU (which is of course their right) Russia will get quite cross.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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EU and American policy to destabilise country's surrounding the Russians.
The big upset for the Americans
The Russians are supporting oil to be traded in gold ,and have locked the west out regarding oil and gas reserves exploitation .
Chuck in Russian support for unfriendly middle Easton countries.
The cold war restarting is all good for business, The arms manufactures all getting rich,
All very easy to attack other country if the Russians are in involved in aggression to .
Its not so black or white
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The dangers of this situation are impossible to overstate. While claiming a democratic mandate, Putin subverted Russia's democratic process to remain in power and will stop at nothing to get his way. Ideologically he is the successor to Khrushchev rather than Gorbachev; he has often displayed megalomaniac characteristics and I think he will call the West's bluff and take it to the brink, by which time he will have established a puppet state in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Nato will then be powerless to do anything other than accept the facts on the ground.m
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i was surprised that the russian parliament gave support so easily to sending in the army.
putin knows there is nothing the west can do to intervene.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Russian 'parliament' does what Putin tells it to. The only things the West can do is throw Russia out of G8 and admit the rump of Ukraine to NATO.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson