DT1- Location: Dover
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My point is Barry that there are many aspects of the media and their representation of the world that we do not like. To think that these things are not all linked is rather naïve. Society, politics, monarchy and many more, that are all faced by the media. Trying to think about these things in isolation is rather bland!
Wrongs and rights, amusing terms when talking about monarchy and terms that fall apart fairly quickly, descending into a language of "that's the way it is and that's the way it's always been" (the language of parents when they exhaust their knowledge when a child asks 'but why?')
Bias is everywhere. Why expect an equal and balanced view from a branch of our media, one that we pay for that is representative of our culture although having no say in its content. However we are happy to accept the same from our representatives!
PS Barry don't belittle my comments with cheap lines like 'student debate', you're better than that!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sid - you really must catch up. Its this Labour Government (as it always does) that is pushing up unemployment. It is now over 2.2m and is expected to well exceed 3m within a year as a result of Labour's economic record. But then you still dont seem to have caught on to what is going on out there and the way your discredited and incompetent Government is percieved by the great British public.
I repeat the BBC has a Charter that requires political impariality, full stop. OK, at least you are acknowledging that it does have a left wing bias, as did PaulB. You are certainly wrong to think that public opinion is left/liberal as poll after poll shows such things as support for capital punishment, anti-immigration and so on. The BBC certainly does not reflect public opion there!
DT - there being no direct relevance to introducing the monarchy into this debate, something not justified by your latter comments, it is reasonable to suggest that it is a student debating point and as such a bit below your usual standard!!!
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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BarryW to recruit from the Guardian is not a left wing move. Having lived in London for a zillion years I can tell you that the Guardian's media page was and probably still is THE page for obviously all media jobs. it was known for it. an industry standard if I can put it that way. As far as I can remember its big day was thursday. Everyone in Media knew it was the place for jobs.
So nothing left or right wing about it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But the Guardian does fly the flag for the left PaulB, no self-respecting Tory would spend money on it!
Sid Pollitt
Media Gardian is now on Mondays. I think that the Times is the first port of call for teaching jobs. The point I was making about the UK society's left/ liberal default was not party political and I think that's the point of this whole debate, people are more tolerant and less judgemental than some would like [didnt like Section 28 for instance] and when you scratch the surface of the issues you'll find people dont want to hang and flog immigrants or Guardian readers. Most people in this country are not coming out of their sheds and saying that today they are mainly foaming at the mouth and shouting at the TV.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i used to read the grauniad many years ago, at that time it was a very thought provoking magazine.
wouldn't call it a newspaper, it was mainly full of articles.
some of the best columns were from blue people, julian critchley and alan clarke spring to mind.
the grauniad always seemed to select mavericks to write for them that amused us all.
i only stopped getting it, when i changed jobs and could drive to work.
i found it very difficult to do the cryptic crossword whilst negotiating a right hand turn.
DT1- Location: Dover
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People defining themselves as left wing or right wing, describing an organisation as left wing; that's directly to do with social reform and the very essence of the definition of the term. If we still think we live in a country where Labour=left, Conservative=right the media have done a good job on us! I have no real political allegence and am talking about defining concepts and that is directly linked. I'm not someone who suggests we should get rid of the monarchy(and that is by no means what I am saying here), but if I define myself as being on the left (which is also directly linked to this thread, with people defining others) I must question it. Just because some things aren't wrong doesn't mean they must be right!
Not student debate just one played down by so many in an attempt to avoid! I even agreed with you about the beeb, I just think when people start putting people in boxes we should know the extents of what we mean.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting last paragraph there about putting people in boxes.
this is usually done when an individual cannot reply to a difficult question.
eg, you would say this because you are etc etc!!
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SID
NOt many people do lol
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The BBC are not even pretending to be balanced any more.
Look at this Dragons Den-style 'politics pen' for assessing candidates for public spending savings for Newsnight.
Greg Dyke (former Labour donor)...
Deborah Mattinson (Brown's pollster)...
Digby Jones (former Labour minister)...
Matthew Taylor (former adviser to Tony Blair).
No Conservatives at all....
Brian Dixon
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aaaaah thats shamefull barryw,why dont you send your objections to the head of the bbc.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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BarryW Im not at all sure they are Labour. Greg Dyke fell out with everybody after he was removed from the BBC's Director General position, he certainly went off Tony Blair in a big way....and has been speaking in anti Labour Government terms since. Digby Jones is not Labour but did under Gordon Brown's early innovative idea, work within the government. He was formerly head of the CBI so was head of big business...therefore a Conservative I suggest. Remember in certainly roles Gordon Brown went non partisan in those early days....even offering a senior role to Paddy Ashdown amongst others. Mr Ashdown for those who may not know is former leader of the LibDEms.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brown has never gone non-partisan PaulB. At the time you are speaking of Brown abolished the 10p rate simply as a way to wrongfoot the Conservatives (as her saw it).
The fact is all these are Labour cronies and all have a history with the Labour Party and none with the Conservatives.
By the way your statement, head of a big business therefore a Conservative - I am amazed that you can come up with such a silly comment, look at Alan Sugar to provide one obvious example. Roddick for another, and what about the many big business donors Labour have had, not all of whom have seen the light and stopped bankrolling this bankrupt Government.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Well I dont know, might be silly but I suspect not. Deep in Digby's heart of hearts he will be a Conservative I feel sure. The leading lights in the CBI over the years were not known for their dovotion to Labour...not at all. They didnt own a cloth cap between them!!lol
Of course the Labour Party has changed since Tony Blair and it too embraces big business but I dont think its quite got as far as conquering the CBI's traditional blue roots.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Digby Jones is not the same as the CBI per se'. He is an individual who has a history of being at odds with the Conservatives and much more in tune with Labour. Europe being one big dividing issue. Big assumptions you are making Paul with your comment.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,is that a biased view on the whole issue,or just your personll opinion.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And your point is, Brian? I am not subject to a Charter demanding impartiality and I am not subsidised by the general public (the other way round in fact given the size of the tax bill I am paying this month!)
Sid Pollitt
Is it me or can you picture the real nasties sitting around shouting at the telly and plotting to clip the wings of the Beeb, cut the use of the Guardian, etc if their nasty party wins the next election? It seems to me to be the politics of envy and revenge, it's sad really. I just hope the most rabid dont bite any dogs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is the politics of envy we see from this Labour Government and we see that reflected in your posts Sid. It is you who harp on with class war rhetoric whenever you refer to DC or GO. The real nasty party is Labour, the McBride scandal exposed that for all to see.
No-one resorts to cheap abuse more than you Sid. You need only look at the two posts you have made today (7/7) you cannot make passing reference to your political opponents without abuse in post after post.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,its tory this tory that theres so much tory spin coming from you im getting dizzy.can i sugest a non political unbiased comment from you in the near future.