To quote directly from the Dover Express:-
'Mr Macsween has extensive business experience. He has been a director of six companies which have been dissolved or struck off in the past ten years.'
As Oscar might say 'To lose one company, Mr Macsween, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose six looks like carelessness.'
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Bern
Thanks for the link..
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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As Scotchie says, would you take business advice from somebody who's had 6 companies go bust?
True friends stab you in the front.
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Things are not always the same as they seem at face value. I just again urge everyone to be cautious and await developments.
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BarryW
This is just a forum where members are giving their opinions similar to the site trip advisor or whatever which allows people to give their feedback on hotels,restaurants etc they may or maynot have stayed in or ate at...some tell the truth whilst others slag it off...it's the modern age and difficult to control.Add that with the local newspaper article and people are bound to draw their own conclusions...right or wrong.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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I await eagerly the response of the person concerned but would ask one question and that is, did the rest of the chamber hierarchy know the business background of Mr. Macsween and if so was it prudent to have him in such a high position. How much did you know Barry?
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That does not mean people should not be sensible and responsible. The consequences of not being so could be serious. Be patient.
Terry Nunn
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I have no axe to grind either way but I feel that Cameron should stand down pro tem awaiting whatever the outcome is.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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There are some serious questions that need to be asked.
Not sure whether to ask them here, or wait - perhaps for the moment, I'll wait.
Roger
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barry
i am very up on what is actionable or not, i have studied all posts(very nervously) and i think that our members have been very responsible.
there is history unfortunately and people will hold strong views, however restraint has been shown.
Ross Miller
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As Bob says is this more than careless, 6 failed companies seems to suggest (IMHO) either a disregard for the consequences of ones actions and for ones suppliers or a complete lack of business acumen. Either way it really does not suggest one is a fit and proper leader for a Chamber of Commerce
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
When something like this breaks in the press, swift and decisive action is required in order to reassure those potentially affected that proper controls and due diligence are in place.
One has to question the due diligence bit when someone with such a record allegedly (but confirmed by Company's House I understand), came to be appointed or elected into this level of position in the first place.
Many questions to be answered about process.
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I think the question should be asked is, are any of them fit to run the chamber of commerce?
It has brought an organisation into complete disrepute and yet not one has chosen to say anything, other than a sort of veiled threat about being careful what you say.
I repeat how much did the other committee members know and if they didn't know, well total ineptitude springs to mind.
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Dave
Agree..
Not fit for purpose...also springs to mind
Marek
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dave
the facts were known to most of us a long time ago.
it does seem that the chamber do not see it as a problem.
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That's the scary bit Howard.
If the Chamber Board support Cameron MacSween over this, then it won't be holding their reputation very high and then, what about the general membership ? Would they be happy with what Kathy has found out about their President and Director of Business Development and the Chamber Board keeping him on ?
He'll shout and swear and accuse all and sundry and those who are taken in by him will be making a big mistake - for the Chamber and Dover itself.
Roger
It is probably more complex than it appears - business usually is! I don't know the guy, and he sounds a bit of s prince, but business relationships are a muddly and complex affair! Business failures and even criminal proceedings aren't the disqualification to achievement they once were, and most grown ups recognise that "stuff happens".
Ok - now throw stuff at me!!!!!!
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Actually Bern, it isn't that complex, not getting caught doing naughty things may be complex, but to save me being sued for libel or whatever he might throw, not just at me, but anyone, I'll not say more.
I suppose I could start every sentence with "in my view", that way, it's not accusatory, just my opinion.
Roger
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The Chamber has now issued a formal press release, after appropriate formalities and consultations, which has been emailed to Paul Boland and I will allow him the courtesy of dealing with it in the manner that he considers best rather than just to publish it in this thread.
Dave1 - I have made no threats at all, veiled or otherwise and you will see why I have been recommending caution in what is said.
Howard - No, all the facts are not known publicly.
Bern - Thank you, you are correct.
All due process has been observed, Cameron is not on the register of disqualified directors.
